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Title: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on October 20, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
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Hi Nolan, I had deep desire in my deep inside to become a painter, but time gone by all of the certain I feel this is the time to start. Your studio impress me as well as how you explain. I like to enrole but please advise me about all the tools to began  for medium budget.

Thank you,

Ahsan


Hi Ahsan

The basic set of equipment I recommend for beginners is explained in the Oil Painting Equipment Webinar (http://www.paintbasket.com/paintbaskettv/online-art-class.php?class=painting-equipment-222)

If you look in the Resources box you will see I have included a pdf list of equipment I recommend based on various budgets.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: magda on December 20, 2011, 01:10:15 PM
 :help: I'm facing my first oil shopping and even though I'm familiar with the vids and the list Nolan made I feel like I'm lost  :tongue: I'm trying to make my own specification but it's really hard since there is so much stuff on the market you don't even know where to choose from if you don't have any experience. So maybe you guys in here could take a look at some points I stuck in:

1/ I thought it over but I need to make sure whether it will work or not for my own palette of colours:
from RT Van Gogh palette:
Titanium White
Cadmium Yellow Light (as cold and opaque yellow)
Indian Yellow (as warm and tranpsarent yellow)
Cadmium Red Light (as warm and opaque red)
Alizarin Crimson (as cold and transparent red)
Cerulean (Pthalo) Blue (as cold and opaque blue)
Ultramarine (as warm and transparent blue)

One thing I know for sure is that I wanna go for mixing colours from a scratch, even if it's gonna take more time. So am I going to be ok with those paints I've already chosen...? If possible, I'd also like to know your personal opinion about RT Van Goghs. Do you find them relyable or maybe there is some other brand of better quality I could go for in that same class of paints...? Maimeri Classics maybe...? DR Georgians...? I don't know... Do you...? :-\

2/ Next thorn in my side are brushes. It's easy to say 'set of brushes', but which brushes should it contain...?  :confused: Personally I don't like sets. I can't refuse myself this pleasure of making my own choices so once again I made up my mind myself but I don't know whether this decision is right or not. I'm about to go for:
from W&N Azanta Black line
Flat 2, 6, 10
Round 2, 6, 10
Filbert 2, 6, 10

from W&N AWC Sable
Rigger 3
Will those cover an useful range of brushes? I worry (maybe too much...). And once again: I don't know what about twelves or fours for example: some people say I'm gonna need them, some say that I can live without them, I'd just like to know YOUR opinion.

3/ Can you make an underpainting sketch with a soft pastel in pencil instead of using a watercolour one and than wipe it out with an eraser?

4/ You recommend W&N Liquin. Is this one for fine details or some other...? Or maybe it really doesn't matter as long as it's Liquin...?

Well, for now I don't remember any more sins  ;) Sorry for overload but I've been taking notes for some time and I just had to let the steam go out through my ears at last  ::)
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: thegrindre on December 20, 2011, 01:18:46 PM
Gee, too bad we don't live closer. I'm selling everything, lock, stock and barrel. Oh well...
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: magda on December 20, 2011, 01:31:49 PM
Still you can give me your opinion on my shopping list  ;)
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on December 27, 2011, 08:39:51 PM
1) The paint colours you have chosen seem fine Magda. I can't comment on the brand as I have not used RT van Gogh myself.

2) The bushes also seem fine. You have chosen a small, mid and larger size so that should get you going. The sizes and numbers vary from one manufacturer to the next so there is no standard there. The numbers you have chosen seem fine. The set of bristle brushes I buy looks something like this :

(http://cdn.dickblick.com/items/059/20/05920-0069-2-3ww-l.jpg)

These sets are dirt cheap (about NZ$5 to 10), that is why I usually recommend buying them.

3) You can use a soft pastel pencil instead of a watercolour pencil yes, no problem.

4) You don't HAVE to use Liquin. Liquin is just one of the mediums commercially available world wide that I have personally used and know to be good. There are other mediums you can use too. If the label says it's an oil painting medium, then you will be fine. If you do go for the Liquin, I would recommend either the Liqiun Original or the Liquin Fine Detail.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: magda on December 28, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
Thank you, Nolan  :) I believe now I should go for more doing less thinking  ::)
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on December 28, 2011, 08:39:29 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Tousabella on January 24, 2012, 05:41:13 PM
I just bought some sable brushes, and they are very stiff. What is on it for shipping, and will just warm water take it off?
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on January 24, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
just wash them out with water or turps, it's starch to keep the bristle safe during transit O0
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: shasha on June 29, 2012, 03:17:29 AM
What brand are those bristle brushes please???
I can't quite see from the photo.

Here in Gisborne, New Zealand art supplies are minimal at best so I will have to search online and don't like wasting money (I'm a cheapskate too!! LOL).   :help:

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: claude on June 29, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Boy! You guys are lucky I got back in time to sort this out. You are all complicating things as far as what to buy for oil painting. Even Nolan is off. Here is my method.

1- Walk into art supply store.
2- Pick up shopping cart.
3- Walk in ailses and put one of each item into said cart.
4- IMPORTANT: When cart is full, draw a line on floor of aisle where you stopped.
5.- Pay goodies and pack into car or even better truck
6- Re-do steps 1 and 2 but move ahead to mark on the floor.
8- Repeat as many times as car or truck can handle.
9- WHEN CAR IS FULL, go home, come back tomorrow and repeat from step 6.

Easy! Sheesh! Beginners!  ::)
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Lillian on June 29, 2012, 02:58:14 PM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:  Claude, I'm so glad you're back!   :yippee: :yippee: :flowers: :flowers:
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Honeysuckle73 on June 29, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
 :welcome: back Claude. Sounds like the way I used to shop. Now that I shop online there is no line to draw and can load whole truck.   :cheering:  :cheering:  :2funny:   :2funny: 
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Bhavna on June 29, 2012, 11:29:39 PM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on June 30, 2012, 06:25:23 AM
 :2funny: Claude, can you pop down to your local art store and buy me a few brushes & canvasses please?

Shasha, :bigwelcome: to the family

Head down to Warehouse for your bristle brushes, they are all dirt cheap and pretty much the same quality. When it comes to the soft hair brushes though, it's a different story. You can buy decent ones from Whitcouls, Paper plus and Warehouse Stationery O0
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: valweb on June 30, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
 :2funny: :2funny: I've got to visit the only 3 stores that keep some art supplies that we have here in East London SA and can't find what I need.   At least you've got an option to choose what you want in one store. :2funny: AS for online buying that is even funnier :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: shasha on June 30, 2012, 12:36:43 PM
 :thankyou:
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Lillian on June 30, 2012, 01:31:18 PM
 :welcome: to Paintbasket, Sasha.  I don't recall seeing you before or giving you a  :bigwelcome:

You'll learn lots here.  There are no better teachers than Nolan and Dennis and the forum is a friendly place where we learn from each other and enjoy what we have most in common,  :painting: and drawing.

I hope to see more of you here and I'd love to see your artwork.  Feel free to post pictures of what you've done.  You'll get good, friendly feedback.  It's a great way to learn.

Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: shasha on July 02, 2012, 08:53:53 AM
 :thankyou: Lillian for the warm welcome.

It's nice to "meet" you. I'm looking forward to getting to know everyone here, you all seem like a friendly, helpful and humourous group from what I've seen on the forums.

Love your work!
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Val on July 05, 2012, 03:57:42 PM
 :wave:  Hi Shasha...welcome, nice to see you are already enjoying the site.

Claude, since I no longer have my truck I'm going to substitute my   :boat:  ......   :think:  I need a bigger boat!
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Rkymtnmary on July 05, 2012, 04:49:26 PM
Hi, Sasha!  Sorry for the belated  :welcome: but  :welcome: anyway!  Always great to see a new face!
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: thebryce on February 14, 2013, 02:39:16 AM
I wanted to paint some nice juicy cherries. Watched the equipment videos and beginners oils section first and after I came home mu wife asked why I bought more water colors. I told her I panicked in the isle at Hobby Lobby and stayed with what I barely know.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: ImBatman on February 14, 2013, 09:00:24 AM
Well everyone, I think Claude summed it up perfectly, but he forgot step 0. The one before you you go to the art store.

Step 0 - Steal Claude's wallet!!!

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

Batman.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Lisa From Oto on February 02, 2014, 09:55:12 AM
Hi everyone,  :) first day, first post and loving everything I have already learnt.  Thank you so much for this question as it just answered my questions.  I am especially happy to know what and where I can buy the equipment I need and in New Zealand so :thankyou:

Lisa
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: MaryAnne Long on February 02, 2014, 05:02:58 PM
Welcome Lisa

Hope you enjoy the Paintbasket experience as much as we do.  You now have an extended family of wonderful' talented people here to help you.

We look forward to seeing your work.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on February 02, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
:bigwelcome: to the PB family Lisa.
Don't be shy to post your paintings as you along O0
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Lisa From Oto on February 03, 2014, 05:11:10 AM
Thanks guys

Well I went to buy some equipment today and ended panicking and leaving without anything  ;D :-\ but I did take photos so I will keep reading and check against the photos of what they had available (not very much) and try again.

Some of the brands available were

Jasart brush set (hog bristle)

Bockingford stretched canvas triple Gresso priming

And Tiny bottles of Reeves Linseed oil and something called painting medium but it said that was for use with acrylic only??

And here I was thinking I was going to breeze in and follow my list and breeze out  :help:   :2funny:

Lisa
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: ImBatman on February 03, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
Hi Lisa

The brush set, canvas (Gesso not Gresso) and Linseed oil should be fine, but if the medium was an Acrylics one, it's not for use with oil paint, so that is a no no.

Also with the canvas - you have two options - stretched canvas and canvas panels, the stretched doesn't really "need" to be framed, but if you want to display your tutorial ones the panels need to be framed (ie extra $)

Just some ideas.

Batman.

Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on February 03, 2014, 06:59:18 AM
Lisa, with you being in New Zealand, I can get Dennis to mail you our Paint Basket starter kit. That has everything you need in it already.

PM me where you are and let's see if that will work
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Lisa From Oto on February 03, 2014, 06:55:13 PM
 :thankyou: That would be awesome  :clap:,

umm do I pm you through Facebook or through this site somehow?  :confused:

Thanks

Lisa
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on February 03, 2014, 07:11:11 PM
under my name on the left you will see there is a little speech bubble, click that. Otherwise click my name to view my profile, then one of the options will allow you to PM me O0
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: Lisa From Oto on February 03, 2014, 07:14:50 PM
Thanks I had just had a good play with the site and found it, although I hadn't worked out the speech bubble so thanks.  I have pm'ed you  ;)
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: thebryce on March 10, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
Can I paint in oils with a synthetic brush or must I use natural hair brushes?
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on March 10, 2014, 07:59:43 PM
synthetic is fine O0
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: thebryce on March 11, 2014, 02:32:49 AM
Is there an issue with any particular solvents on synthetic Fibers?
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: BeaSue on January 21, 2015, 09:49:42 PM
Nolan, is your webinar the Oil Painting QnA class? Is your PDF re materials part of that class? When I clicked on the link you gave in your very first post in this thread, it said I wasn't authorized to view it.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on January 27, 2015, 09:14:40 PM
the webinar is the equipment class itself, I have fixed the link in the first thread.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: BeaSue on January 28, 2015, 05:46:27 PM
Thanks very much, Nolan.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: GPeachy on October 09, 2015, 03:14:22 PM
I am getting my equipment together to start working with paint. I have watched the video and now have my list and a few odd bits of equipment. I do have a question about the turps? Is this turpentine and is it strictly used for thinning? The Mineral Spirits that I purchases is called Gamsol, will this be okay to clean oil brushes? Is this the only thing the Gamsol is used for? Do I need separate brushes for oil and acrylic painting? And do I have the process for cleaning brushes correct..... clean with mineral spirits/wash with soap and water? And lastly, is Liquin a better medium or can I use strictly an oil? Someone told me that Linseed oil creates a shiny finish. They use Walnut oil and I have read where Poppy Oil is also recommended. Also, the brushes that I have say not to use Mineral Spirits or Turpentine to clean. Are these not good brushes? Would someone expound on this please?
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on October 11, 2015, 08:41:42 PM
sounds great :heeha:

1) turps - the turpentine is only for cleaning brushes, use a painting medium or oil to thin your paints.
2) brushes - I use the same brushes for oil & acrylic painting
3) washing brushes - after painting with oil, I wash with turps. When they get very dirty, I will follow with a soap and water treatment as well (maybe every few weeks)
when washing after painting with acrylic you only wash in water or soap and water, no turps
4) you can use oil only, a painting medium like Liquin just speeds up the drying process where the oil will thin the paint but not speed up the drying process
5) I use linseed oil and it does dry to a slightly more glossy finish than the paint on it's own, but not so much that it bothers. There are other oils you can use, but I personally don't.
6) I have never seen brushes that tell you not to use turps to clean them, maybe post a photo of the label so I can take a look for you
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: GPeachy on October 12, 2015, 12:03:24 AM
I have tried taking several pictures and they are not clear enough to see the fine print. I am going away for a couple of weeks in the morning and when I get back I will see if I can do better with my good camera. In the mean time, I am sending the name of the brushes and exactly what is says in the warning.

I purchased them from Hobby Lobby, which is a craft store here in the states. I believe this is their store brand called "The Fine Touch". I have two different packages of them and on the front it says "For Use With: Oil, Watercolor, Acrylics, Tempera"; "For Use On Canvas, Ceramic, Fabric, Wood, Copper, Tin & Other Surfaces." On the back It says "Caution - Do not use mineral spirits or turpentine to clean these brushes." For Oil, "dip in odorless brush cleaner after using, squeeze out as much excess color as possible and wash with soap and water." "Reshape with fingers."

The item number for these are #853713 and #847269. Maybe you could see them online, if not, when I get back, I will send pictures.

Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: thebryce on October 16, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
Hobby Lobby generic brushes are notorious for falling apart. The heads will pop off and need to be reattached with a glue gun. They have both bristle and synthetic and are fine for scrubbing and doing rough work.  When you are a beginner you are never sure what brushes you will like so you are going to have a learning experience testing brushes.  Some paintings need bristle and some need the synthetic.  Some oil paintings you can do with a simple hardware brush.  Oil painting can be a costly endeavor so do not be upset for this bargain brand purchase. If you have low quality paint, brushes and canvas your paintings will always seem a bit off.  Do not give up.... Over time you need to  purchase the best supplies you can afford.


I hope the links I posted are to the brushes you have purchased.


http://www.hobbylobby.com/Art-Supplies/Brushes/6-Piece-Bristle-Nylon-%26-Camel-Art-Brush-Set/p/27367 (http://www.hobbylobby.com/Art-Supplies/Brushes/6-Piece-Bristle-Nylon-%26-Camel-Art-Brush-Set/p/27367)


http://www.hobbylobby.com/Art-Supplies/Brushes/8-Piece-Brown-Nylon-Art-Brush-Set/p/19532 (http://www.hobbylobby.com/Art-Supplies/Brushes/8-Piece-Brown-Nylon-Art-Brush-Set/p/19532)





Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: GPeachy on October 19, 2015, 02:16:07 AM
Hi there, thank you for your comments, they are always welcome. I do have some beginner paints and brushes that I have picked up over the years. It has been difficult finding other art supply stores where I live. Right now I am in Tallahassee, FL. and the have a fabulous art store here. They carry the paints that Nolan recommended. I will end up using what I have for brushes at the moment just to get started and will make the necessary purchases for good equipment as I go along.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: GPeachy on October 19, 2015, 02:19:41 AM
Yes, those are the exact brushes. It says not to clean with turpentine or mineral spirits. Rather than purchase a specific type cleaner for these brushes, I would just purchase new brushes. Any recommendations would be helpful.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on October 19, 2015, 07:37:44 PM
I don't use any specific brand of brushes, any old bristle brushes will work.

What I suggest you do is test one of the brushes you have by washing it in turps to see what happens. If nothing happens, then use them - otherwise they are just going to end up in the cupboard anyway.

If the brush damages, then use it for watercolour or acrylic painting O0
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: GPeachy on October 23, 2015, 02:42:38 AM
Good idea, thanks Nolan. I have a little over a week left to play with the babies then will be back online.
Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: creativek on July 02, 2016, 11:38:06 PM
Hi Nolan and Friends

I recall in one oil painting video that Nolan uses some kind of transparency film for protecting the shape of an element while you paint the background.  Can someone please advise what this film is called and where I can get it please?

Thanks  :)

Title: Re: What equipment do you recommend for beginners to oil painting
Post by: nolan on July 05, 2016, 06:11:55 AM
what I use is clear cover. You can get it on Amazon HERE (http://www.paintbasket.com/go/clearcover). You can also get it from you local stationery store and even your Dollar store