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Title: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on October 22, 2010, 08:34:25 PM
If you want to apply masking fluid to your drawing without any of the hassles related with brushes then take a look at this tip.

Masking Fluid Trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMGc0SfUgzI#ws)

With this applicator you can very accurately apply masking fluid to a drawing. Very thin lines an be applied as well a large areas. Obviously with large areas a brush is better. I have used this applicator for tiny delicate areas as well as for grasses and waves and foam and such like.
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: nolan on October 23, 2010, 02:41:47 AM
excellent tip, sure beats using a brush :clap:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on October 27, 2010, 11:58:01 AM
Hello Dennis...Fantastic! I wish I had found your site a month ago!  :clap:
Cheers, Val
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on October 28, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
Here is the masking tape tip - Part 1

Masking Tape Tip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN-T5weOcXw#ws)


Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on October 28, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
What an ingenious idea!  :smart: I'm amazed it doesn't disturb the paint. Can't wait to try this one.  O0
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: nolan on October 28, 2010, 06:26:36 PM
I like your profile pic Val O0
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on October 29, 2010, 12:26:11 AM
Thank you Nolan... This is our home while cruising the caribbean. 90% smooth sailing & 10% excrutiating excitement!
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: nolan on October 29, 2010, 09:02:47 AM
WOW,  :heeha: , that must be pretty exciting
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on October 29, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
Remember that 10% of excruciating excitement? Its about to hit! We have tropical storm Tomas apparently going to hit Grenada late tonight. Must batten the hatches and make preparations. Hope to be back on line soon.
Cheers, Val
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: nolan on October 29, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
 :o we'll be thinking of you guys, stay safe  :-\  :flowers:
Title: Re: Masking Tape Tip - Part 2
Post by: dennis on November 01, 2010, 10:04:40 AM
Masking Tape - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4hQS9k52Sg#ws)
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on November 01, 2010, 10:47:25 AM
 :clap:Bravo Dennis...you have now solved a problem I've been scratching my head over ever since I started mucking about with w/c! This last video really brought it together for me. I think you may just make an artiste of me despite myself!  :clap: :flowers:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on November 01, 2010, 06:38:38 PM
YaY :yippee: I love it when a "plan comes together"  :clap: :clap:

By the way, if you use the transparent Magic Mending Tape it is much easier to see where you are cutting. Just be careful not to cut right through the paper - very easy to do. Use just enough pressure to cut through the tape. use a new sharp blade.

ALWAYS remember to burnish the tape on the painting side flush with the paper to prevent paint seeping underneath.
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on November 01, 2010, 08:33:01 PM
Right Then.... magic mending tape, burnish the painting side, sharp blade....let the operation begin!  >:D
Cheers
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Kelley on November 01, 2010, 09:54:58 PM
 :gl: 
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on November 02, 2010, 11:09:46 AM
Me thinks I'll get out the medical kit...just in case! Better yet, my fish filletting glove...that's the ticket! Will post my results.
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on November 02, 2010, 10:40:46 PM
Looking forward to it - minus the blood  :heeha:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Leana on January 22, 2012, 12:41:18 PM
Dennis, just a quick question :confused: .  Now with the watercolour course... I bought a new bottle of masking fluid>reason being...  I have another bottle, which is quite a few years old and I thought I better test it, before the watercolour course, to see if it still works ... what I did notice was that it stained the paper to a slight yellow.  Can I still use it (however I will not end up with pure white paper should I do use it)...or shall I just discard it altogether seeing that I do have a 'fresh' one now?  Will I be able to use it whatsoever for anything?
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: sapphirelynn on January 22, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Dennis,  :thankyou: for the great tip.  Do you use regular masking tape on your paper or do you use the light tack masking tape that is used on walls when house painting?
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on January 23, 2012, 01:35:28 AM
Leana, you can still use that old masking fluid as long as it is easily removed from the paper. Just use it in areas where you know you do not need the area in the final paper to be white. It would not have been a problem if I had used it in the area where I painted the red bougainvillea bush, for instance.

Lynn, I use regular masking tape. I tried the low-tack type but the paint easily seeps under it and spoils the paper. I would definitely not use it in this instance. I also found that after a very short period of time it completely lifted off the paper :heeha:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: sapphirelynn on January 23, 2012, 05:18:22 PM
Thank you so much Dennis.  I found the same thing only I thought I was doing it wrong.  Another question, "is there a right side of the paper and how do you tell?"  :help:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on January 23, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
Usually there is a watermark or an embossing that will tell you, otherwise normally the rougher side is the side to paint on. This side has the most sizing, although you can also paint on the other side as well.

It is best to paint on the proper side for best results.
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: sapphirelynn on January 23, 2012, 06:56:53 PM
Once again Thank you Dennis, my paper has no embossing so the rougher side it will be thanks
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Leana on January 24, 2012, 08:47:55 PM
Dennis  :thankyou: for replying... funny enough, after I posted I thought that maybe I can use it in areas that contain yellow...from yellow, orange, to red... thought if I painted blue over it...I might end up with green  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: ... I am truly glad that I can still utilise it... will keep it for 'special' occassions where I don't need the white/white of the paper  :yippee:  O0
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Rkymtnmary on January 31, 2012, 07:15:43 AM
Uh oh...

Today I tried the Cosmos painting - my first painting ever.  Everything was going great and I was shockingly pleased with my background colors but then...disaster struck!  I began to remove the masking fluid after taking a hair dryer to it and to my surprise, the paper beneath the fluid began to tear and the only way I could get the fluid off was to actually remove it with my fingers after rubbing it.  I had taken care to remember to put it on thick vs thin, my painting was dry and I began the process by using clear tape as the remover.  At first, I thought maybe I'd started off with trying to remove an area that may have been too thin (but I really was pretty sure it wasn't) but as it turned out, it happened with every area that I had applied it to.  I was using 140 lb watercolor paper I'd purchased at an art store so I didn't think quality was an issue.  I think I may have salvaged it insofar as I rescued enough of it to be able to attempt to paint over the now whitened areas but it's definitely not going to look as it should.  Does anyone have any idea what I might have done wrong? 
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Lillian on January 31, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
Oh My!!!!  You must feel like  :pullhair:  Sorry to hear you had that disaster!    :1hug:

:congrats: on your first watercolor painting.  It sounds like it turned out pretty nice.  I'd love to see it.

I'm doing a lot of thinking here   :think:  and I hope my thoughts help you out....I'm thinking that perhaps you may have the heat on your hairdryer set on high heat or may even have brought it real close to your painting while the masking fluid was on the paper. 

If you haven't already painted in the areas where the paper has lifted, when you paint, you may want to start with a very watery mix as I'm thinking those areas may take in more pigment. 

In the end, when your painting is dry, you may try spraying your painting with a spray matte fixative which may help to give evenness to the surface.

Dennis may have a better answer and even a better solution to help you out with your dilemma.

Dennis, can you  :help: Mary?
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Rkymtnmary on January 31, 2012, 04:44:27 PM
Oh My!!!!  You must feel like  :pullhair:  Sorry to hear you had that disaster!    :1hug:

:congrats: on your first watercolor painting.  It sounds like it turned out pretty nice.  I'd love to see it.

I'm doing a lot of thinking here   :think:  and I hope my thoughts help you out....I'm thinking that perhaps you may have the heat on your hairdryer set on high heat or may even have brought it real close to your painting while the masking fluid was on the paper. 

If you haven't already painted in the areas where the paper has lifted, when you paint, you may want to start with a very watery mix as I'm thinking those areas may take in more pigment. 

In the end, when your painting is dry, you may try spraying your painting with a spray matte fixative which may help to give evenness to the surface.

Dennis may have a better answer and even a better solution to help you out with your dilemma.

Dennis, can you  :help: Mary?


Hi, Lillian and thank you SO much for your response.  As you mentioned, no, I did not yet paint those areas so I can definitely try the watery mix.  I'm not great at free hand drawing (surprise! lol) so I don't have a lot of expectations to my "fix."  I did start out on low with the dryer but right toward the end, I switched to high in order to dry the entire painting but I kept it about 12 inches away...but I'll not do THAT again!  In looking at it this morning, I'm almost tempted to keep as is as the white areas look kind of nice but I'm too OCD I think to let it stay.  I'm going to try everything you're suggesting and I'll let you know.  I'm not going to let this daunt me though.  One further question if I may...even at the full dryness of the paint, I noticed that the masking fluid still remained what I'd call slightly tacky.  Is this what it should be or should it be totally non-sticky?  I thought just because of its nature that that was the way it was supposed to be...Sorry for the novel but I so want to salvage my first attempt.  Thank you for taking the time to answer...I really appreciate it.  :)
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Lillian on January 31, 2012, 06:16:02 PM
Hi Mary  :)

I sure hope I'm not leading you astray.  :pray:   I really am no expert!

Masking fluid is a rubbery substance when it's dry, so it will feel tacky.

I've been working on the seascape, and just came back a few minutes ago to see what's going on here.  I can't stay away!!!  So, sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Will you show us your painting when you're finished?  I'm sure we'd all like to see what you've done.

I'm amazed at what nice work folks are doing who have never done watercolor before.

Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Rkymtnmary on January 31, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
Oh no, Lillian - you didn't lead me astray at all.  I was able to accomplish that all by myself!  LOL   You actually encouraged me to carry on so that's what I did.  Yikes.  Let's just say that it's as done as it's going to be...if I weren't so shy or knew how to even post, I'd probably put it up just so everyone could have a huge laugh - not mocking myself but it really IS funny.  I neglected to mention that somehow, I reversed the template so, for starters, the painting's in reverse which of course then threw off my lighting...suffice to say, the sun is shining on this one every which way!  I just went by what I thought looked good if such a word could even be applied here!  And then, my ferns started out as kelly green...now, I have no idea what color they are but it's somewhere between a brown and dying grass!!  Plus, they had to be painted much thicker than they're supposed to be to accommodate the little issue with the tearing paper so the cosmos look like they're in the middle of a forest!  Now, the good things though.  1.  I finally picked up a brush after MONTHS of gathering supplies I'd just stare at.  2.  I learned that I am determined because this should definitely have been thrown in the garbage but instead, it's now sitting on my easel..LOL.  3.  I'm no longer afraid to try to mix colors - what colors I sure don't know but now I know what it feels like to do that!  4.  I started "fixing" things at 11 am my time (CT, US) and I looked up at the clock when I was finished and it was 3:30!  I love when that happens.  So, all is not lost...not sure what I'm going to tackle next - might be the landscape.  I'm thinking it might make sense to get a little more comfortable with watercolors before I wander into oils.  At least there's no masking fluid involved!  Thank you again for your help! 

Mary 
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on February 01, 2012, 03:08:42 AM
This is not an easy question to answer as several things can go wrong.

Can be the wrong type of paper even if it is 140lb. Different manufacturers have different hardness and softness to the paper. Softness - meaning the fibers are not sufficiently compresses and bonded to each other.

The paper could still have been a bit too wet - being a thick paper it could have soaked up a lot of water and although dry to the touch was still just wet enough for the masking fluid to take the paper with it. Overheating the masking fluid could be another - rather let the masking fluid dry and cool down before taking it off.

Another point is that if masking fluid is applied too thickly it also can take quite a time to dry.
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Lillian on February 01, 2012, 03:16:59 AM
Dennis to the rescue   :yippee:  I knew Dennis, would draw from his many years of experience and share it with us.   :thankyou:  Dennis.

Mary, don't be discouraged.  This is your very first attempt at watercolor painting.  It will get better with time and really, I think I'll never stop learning how to handle it.  Watercolor tends to have a mind of its own and sometimes does what it wants to in spite of us.   :)
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: dennis on February 01, 2012, 03:19:19 AM
So true  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Rkymtnmary on February 01, 2012, 04:14:56 AM
This is not an easy question to answer as several things can go wrong.

Can be the wrong type of paper even if it is 140lb. Different manufacturers have different hardness and softness to the paper. Softness - meaning the fibers are not sufficiently compresses and bonded to each other.

The paper could still have been a bit too wet - being a thick paper it could have soaked up a lot of water and although dry to the touch was still just wet enough for the masking fluid to take the paper with it. Overheating the masking fluid could be another - rather let the masking fluid dry and cool down before taking it off.

Another point is that if masking fluid is applied too thickly it also can take quite a time to dry.


Thank you so much, Dennis.  That's a perfect description..the fluid WAS taking the paper with it...they were coming up off of the paper as one.  Between you and Lillian, you've helped me problem solve and now, rather than be discouraged, I can't wait to try it again incorporating all the knowledge you've offered.  I so appreciate it.

Mary
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Lillian on February 01, 2012, 11:31:26 AM
 O0
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Rkymtnmary on February 01, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
Good morning, Lillian!

Now see?  With all your fine encouragement, I'm starting the watercolor landscape today!  I decided to go in order of the course presentations rather than jump to the oils (though, at least they don't use masking fluid...lol) and if all goes well, maybe I'll even put a few "cosmos" on the ground!  LOL

Have a great day!
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on February 01, 2012, 11:03:55 PM
 :wave: I'm so glad you didn't let that little bump in the road discourage you. I went through a rather 'tacky' stage a few months back and Nolan & Dennis pulled me through. Lillian is a great confidence booster...in fact I'm going to get her a brand new set of pom-poms!  :cheering:   :2funny:  Where would we be without her?  :1hug:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Rkymtnmary on February 02, 2012, 12:51:10 AM
:wave: I'm so glad you didn't let that little bump in the road discourage you. I went through a rather 'tacky' stage a few months back and Nolan & Dennis pulled me through. Lillian is a great confidence booster...in fact I'm going to get her a brand new set of pom-poms!  :cheering:   :2funny:  Where would we be without her?  :1hug:

Thanks, Val!  No masking fluid today...LOL...just a little sticky masking tape!  Something about the word "masking" I think...Nevertheless, I plowed ahead and attempted Lesson #2 which was really great fun - definitely not Metropolitan Museum of Art material but it was such a great exercise.  And this cottage DEFINITELY was an abandoned one...LOL...I don't think I could pay a family of muskrats to take up housing in it!  But onward to #3 tomorrow!  It's taking over my life!   8)
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Lillian on February 02, 2012, 02:02:47 AM
Val!   :blush:

I'll be checking my mailbox!   :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Artbypen on February 15, 2012, 05:16:46 PM
I have used twigs, toothpicks, masking fluid applicators (which do not allow the fluid to stick to it), and twine tied to an old paintbrush...all seem to work fine.  HOWEVER, when it comes to masking out large areas, drats!!! I have what looks to be a great painting going, and then when removing the large areas of masking, MY PAPER TEARS.  I let everything dry thoroughly for a day before I remove the fluid but large areas seem to continue to tear.  This is exceptionally frustrating.

ANY IDEAS ANYONE???
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: eftpower1 on February 18, 2012, 01:03:59 PM
Artbypen
I'm finding my paper is "lifting"' " peeling" 'slowly coming apart under my brush" and i suspect it has to do with the paper more than anything else.  I would suspect that whats happening to your paper MAY be related to the brand of paper.  I would take a piece of scrap of your H2O paper and turn it over and apply  masking to the "back" side in the same way that gives you problems on the front.. The other thing i would do is ask the folks at the local art for some samples of different brands and try it on those

 :blush: :blush: My wife asked me why I was not using the NEW, better, grade paper that I bought :blush: :blush:
I think i will  :idiot2:open it today! Did i mention I'm Scots :)

Question: What effect do ya get when you apply masking fluid with twine around the toothbrush?

Ok, folks, someones got a lot better answer than me, What is it?? :nosey:
Regards to all
Brian

Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Lillian on February 18, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
 ?  :think:   :-\ ::)

Brian, is that a trick question?   :confused:
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Artbypen on March 13, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Brian,

Thanks.  I'm using Kilamanjaro paper by Cheap Joe's and masking does tend to lift off the paper along with the masking fluid.

I think the twine around the toothbrush IS a trick question but what the hey...the answer is don't wrap the twine around the toothbrush!  Paint the fluid on with just the twine.

Hope that helps.

-Linda
Title: Re: Masking Fluid Trick
Post by: Val on March 14, 2012, 11:02:46 AM
I think you'll find the better quality papers won't come apart. I like Arches, Daler Rowney....and a few others.... :whistle:
Still checking out different brands...and yes Virginia, there is a difference!  ;D
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