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Title: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 01, 2019, 05:05:24 PM
Hello all,

I just started the course a few days ago and I am looking forward to drawing.

So far, I am enjoying the course. The videos are a great complement to actually see the stroke and not just read the explanations.

I wanted to post my first drawing but I do not see an option to attach a pic directly instead of the link.


I am struggling with the Pencil tonal chart exercise. I am using with Wan Shui pencils. What is the best brand you recommend?

Thank you for this course and I want to particularly thanks Kathy Sutterlin who recommended this course and after all the wonderful drawings of hers she posted online, I decided to join.


Soizick
Title: Re: Soizick's First drawing
Post by: nolan on February 03, 2019, 09:49:09 PM
I am glad you have decided to join the course.
Instructions on how to post your pic inside a post can be found HERE  (https://paintbasket.com/members/index.php?topic=504.0) O0 I have edited your post so it shows the image. (You can go edit the post to see how the embed code looks like)
You have done a great job with your erased landscape. The fisherman looks nice and peaceful on the water.
 :gl: with the rest of the course
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 04, 2019, 01:20:03 PM
Thank you for your help Nolan.


 :help:
This is my struggle. The tonal chart exercise.


The last square has some brilliance in it too. This is my second try. I still see lines between each square in the bottom line of squares.  :tickedoff:

So I am thinking about ordering another brand of pencils and try again. But not sure if it is my lack of skills with this or if I need another set. The brand I am using is Wan Shui. There were great comments about them on Amazon.

Any particular great brand you would recommend?
In the meantime, I will continue working with those. Today, I am working on the ball.  :thankyou:

Also, is there a way to not publish the exercises in the artwork section where the members publish their wonderful artwork? I do not feel particularly proud of this tonal chart.  :2funny:
I am just adding it to my drawing album for some pointers.

 :thankyou:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: dennis on February 04, 2019, 08:01:53 PM
Soizic, don't be too hard on yourself. As a beginner you are off to a very good start  :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Also, is there a way to not publish the exercises in the artwork section where the members publish their wonderful artwork? I do not feel particularly proud of this tonal chart.  (https://paintbasket.com/members/Smileys/webby/2funny.gif)
I am just adding it to my drawing album for some pointers.
This is the reason why you should post all your drawings here, even what you THINK are bad. This is the ONLY way you will be able to get constructive critique on your work. Don't forget that the fabulous pencil drawings you see here on the Paint Basket are done by members who were once at the same stage you are at the moment. They had the same struggles you are going through. Your goal should be to obtain the same professional quality they are at. What you have posted tells me you are surely able to obtain it. These members are also qualified to get you excellent advice and encouragement along the way.
Check the middle row. Try to get each step one step lighter than the other. You have one light step between the dark ones.Practice this exercise as often as you can as this is one of the most important exercises would-be artists often neglect.

If you are going to order another set of pencils I highly recommend you order the TOMBOW set of pencils from Amazon. It is the set I personally use.
https://www.amazon.com/Tombow-Drawing-Pencil-Graphite-12-Pack/dp/B00AQENMQ4 (https://www.amazon.com/Tombow-Drawing-Pencil-Graphite-12-Pack/dp/B00AQENMQ4)
 Looking forward to your future pencil exercises  O0 :flowers:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 04, 2019, 09:08:49 PM
The ball and the tonal chart are two of the most difficult drawings you will ever attempt because they both require perfect control over your pencils - both as far as selecting the correct pencil AND applying the correct amount of pressure on the pencil.
Let's take a look at your tonal chart:Top row : looks goodcentre row : always ensure that the box to the left is lighter than the one you are working on.bottom row : here you have improved on the tonal values so that each box to the left is lighter. What you need to practice now is varying the pressure you apply to the pencil so that each "box" transitions from between the one on the left and the one on the right.
It takes practice so don't be afraid or shy to do a few until you get it right because this is one of the most important skills you require in order to draw well
PS - I agree with the Tombow pencils and also use them nowadays. If I remember correctly I used Steadtler pencils during this course and they worked perfectly as well O0
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 05, 2019, 02:47:45 AM
Soizic, I would tell you how many times I've done that tonal chart... but I can't count that high!   :whistle:    :2funny:
The ball is my favourite exercise and I still use it as a warm up exercise before every sketch or drawing I do. AND I still don't always get it right  :faint: so you are in good company.   ;D   Keep at it, it does get easier the more you do it.  O0    :promise:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 05, 2019, 02:29:20 PM
Thanks, Dennis, Nolan and Val for the encouragement and tips.  :thankyou:

I ordered my new set of pencils Tombow and I will try a tonal chart again as soon as I get them.

In the meantime, I am working at becoming a ball expert.   ??? I did several and this one is the reflective one. I can see why it is a warm-up exercice.  :excercise:


I took the pic in front of a window, for some reason, the pic is darker than my actual drawing. I tried to vary the amount of pressure on the pencil. That is not as easy as it sounds to do. But I am not unsatisfied with the result. I did not know I was going to enjoy shading the balls as much.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: MaryAnne Long on February 05, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
Soizick

So good to see someone having fun with the basics.

I too have Tombow pencils and love them more than the 5 other brands I have.

Keep on shading!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 05, 2019, 08:53:34 PM
looks good Soizic :clap: :clap: :clap:
If possible please post your standard shaded ball as well
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 06, 2019, 10:48:04 PM
Hello all,

The regular balls are giving more trouble than the reflective one.


I am still waiting for my new set of pencils, but I think I am going to try the berries.

I can't see anymore if they are still flat or not.  :pullhair:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 07, 2019, 02:16:14 AM
Soizic, here is another little exercise I found very helpful when learning to adjust pressure on the pencils.   :gl2:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 07, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
Thank you Val, very useful. I did a couple this morning. :thankyou:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 07, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Soizick, you are doing well and it is lovely following your progress.   Patricia
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 07, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
You shading work is coming along nicely. :clap: :clap: :clap:
What you want to do is go darker on the shadow side of the ball. That will make it easier to get the central area shaded gradually as you have more contrast to work with O0
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 09, 2019, 01:55:03 PM
Hello all,

I worked on the berries trying to follow the advice of Nolan and get more contrast. I have a very hard time with the leaves as you can see. Not sure what I am doing wrong. I have tried to shade around the veins and then shade lightly over them. I do not get the desired effect. My berries are not perfectly round. Actually, my printer stopped working, so I put my paper over the computer to get the lines. I also did those with my new Tombow pencils. They seem to be softer than the last one.


Well, practice will help.

Here are my rocks. I enjoyed shading the rocks more than the berries (the leaves).


Tomorrow, moving to cross-hatching. Exciting!

Thank you in advance for your advice.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 11, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Soizick, your berries are good but personally, I think you could still go darker which was always a huge problem for me and I overcame it by Val telling me to use a darker pencil than the one prescribed, which really helped me tremendously as I was always afraid of going too dark. 


Your rocks are EXCELLENT, your shading superb.   Carry on the good work.


Patricia
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 11, 2019, 01:58:17 PM
Thank you Patricia.  :thankyou:
For the rocks, I did not hesitate to use a darker pencil for the shade.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 11, 2019, 08:01:03 PM
 :yippee:  There you go Soizick ... you didn't hesitate to go darker and look at the great job you did.  I think when we start out, we are always a little too timid but you certainly overcame it with the rocks.  A lovely job.


Patricia
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 12, 2019, 09:08:12 PM
Hello,

This past 2 days, I worked on cross-hatching.
My cup does not have much volume, I believe that it is because the vertical lines should have some curve and not just be straight vertically.



I think I did a better job with the Teddy Bear as far as volume.

And scumbled technique for the fish.


Having more and more fun with it even in those first baby steps.  :cloud9:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 13, 2019, 08:40:19 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Soizick, your progress is fantastic.  Your teddy bear and fish is very well done too because you have gone darker.  The improvement as you progress is so exciting to see. Carry on the excellent work.


Patricia
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 13, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
Thank you Patricia for the support.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 13, 2019, 09:50:36 PM
Your berries are looking great, good contrast. Can you see how much depth they have because of it? :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
The berries should be perfectly round so that is fine. O0
Another way to do the leaves is to softly shade them in, then erase the veins. Maybe try that method to see how it works for you. (The bottom leaf looks great so use that as an example for the rest) O0
Cup - Good hatching. You can however add more hatching on the sides to darken. Especially on the left
Teddy - fabulous job. I am very happy with him :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
Fish - SPot on. You have avoided all the common mistakes people make with him :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Gita on February 13, 2019, 09:51:08 PM
It’s so enjoyable to see your improvements from drawing to drawing and it’s great that you are so motivated, Soizic...that will take you a long way!
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 14, 2019, 12:43:59 PM
Thank you Gita. It is fun for me too to see where I am going. Really enjoying the course and pretty impressed by the level of support and interest of the teachers and the members.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on February 14, 2019, 12:49:21 PM
Thank you Nolan for the continuous support. I really appreciate it and your advice are always on point and useful to build up for another lesson. When I redo the leaves or try it for another drawing, I will try the erase technique as suggested.
Here is the barn. It was nice meeting Dennis for this lesson.


Comments please.
Have all a wonderful Valentine's Day... :cloud9:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 17, 2019, 10:41:35 PM
Nice texture in your drawing. Well done :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
Just one thing to look out for on the top roof panels - the lines formed by the corrugations must always follow the angle of the roof. Yours are a little off in the centre area. Leave it as is for this drawing as the barn is a little ragged. Just remember for future drawings O0
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on March 24, 2019, 10:17:54 PM
Hello All,
I hope everybody is having a wonderful Sunday.  8) I was away for a bit and today, Sunday, I feel grateful to be able to return to my drawing class. I drew the little squirrel. I tried to go fast after I transferred it as Nolan suggested in the lesson. All about the strokes.


Please comment.
As always,  :thankyou: for your wonderful tips and suggestions.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: dennis on March 25, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
Well done on the barn  :clap: :clap: :clap: Just remember to keep the wall corners upright. The left wall is not vertical  O0 You have done an excellent job on my little baby. You are on your way to a master  :flowers:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on March 25, 2019, 12:27:43 PM
Well done on the barn  :clap: :clap: :clap: Just remember to keep the wall corners upright. The left wall is not vertical  O0 You have done an excellent job on my little baby. You are on your way to a master  :flowers:


Woohoo, thank you, Dennis.  :yippee: Now you mentioned about the wall, I can see that. My barn might collapse over time if not fixed soon.  ???
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 25, 2019, 08:20:16 PM
Your squirrel is looking good. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Just work on getting the transitions more smooth - where the one tanoal value end and the next starts you want an in between tonal value so that the transition looks smooth and rounded. If you stop one tonal value in a line and start the next one in a line then you are indicating a corner as opposed to a rounding O0
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on March 25, 2019, 11:12:12 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Lovely to see your continued work Soizick and your squirrel is well done.  Good job.    Patricia
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on April 15, 2019, 12:04:41 PM
 :heeha:   My goodness you have been busy while I was away!  :yippee: Your skills are coming on famously! Well done you  :congrats:       :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Gita on April 17, 2019, 09:42:57 PM
The squirrel has come out very well!
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on July 06, 2019, 07:33:16 PM
Hello dear  :painting:

I have been away for a little while, but I firmly intend to finish this course and take more after. It definitely is taking me more than 4 weeks, but I am not in a hurry.

Here my attempt at the horse. The most difficult part was the harness, no doubt.


As always, thank you all for your wonderful tips and advice.  :thankyou:

Soizic
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: dennis on July 06, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
Excellent  :clap: :clap: :clap: The pupils of a horse's eye are slightly elongated horizontally and not round as in a human eye  O0
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on July 07, 2019, 08:11:10 PM
you have done a fabulous job, well done :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
I am glad you are continuing with the course :cloud9: :gl:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on July 08, 2019, 03:07:40 PM
Excellent  :clap: :clap: :clap: The pupils of a horse's eye are slightly elongated horizontally and not round as in a human eye  O0

Thanks for the tips. I see it now that you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: MaryAnne Long on July 08, 2019, 04:41:59 PM
Soizic,

Very nice drawing of the horse.

Glad you returned to Let's Draw.  It helped me tremendously in learning to draw.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course (Question)
Post by: Soizic on July 09, 2019, 08:56:12 PM
 :confused: Question about the grid to use. For the squirrel, the proportions made sense, I used the 10mm grid and doubled it to draw my squirrel on the entire page. For the tiger, it already takes a big part of the page, and with the grid I used for the squirrel, I would have to use a bigger format of paper.  Right now, I am just using the 8 1/2 X 11 inch.

What are you suggesting to be able to use the same paper size? I am a bit confused about which grid to use. :-\

Thank you. :thankyou:


I was finally able to do it, making my own grid. I used the 10mm one to put the tiger and make up one of 15mm to cover the full page. I think it will be ok. :yippee:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course TIGER
Post by: Soizic on July 12, 2019, 02:57:31 PM
Hello all,

As you can see, I need help with the whiskers.  :( I did not have Blu-Tack and for the mask, is this some type of a stencil that I would have to create, which would be several stencils, because the whiskers are not all the same.


 :'( I was not going to post it because I am not very satisfied with the results but I am just stuck with the whiskers.

Thank you for the tips.

Soizic
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: MaryAnne Long on July 12, 2019, 03:14:38 PM
Soizic

Quite a good piece for just starting drawing.  Whiskers are difficult so don't feel bad.  Lots of us struggle with getting them right (or avoid doing animals all together as I do).

Keep at it.  You are making good progress.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on July 12, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
Soizic

Quite a good piece for just starting drawing.  Whiskers are difficult so don't feel bad.  Lots of us struggle with getting them right (or avoid doing animals all together as I do).

Keep at it.  You are making good progress.


Thank you for your encouragement. I would love to be able to draw good whiskers because later on, I would love to draw one of my dogs. She is a blue heeler with lots of dark, so I am not ready yet. I tried and nope. I probably will have to take the course How to draw dogs. I think I saw one.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on July 14, 2019, 09:59:58 PM
there is nothing wrong with your drawing. Never be shy to put anything here. Remember that we are all learning to draw and paint. If we don't see your mistakes then we can't help you to correct them O0
The mask is simply a sheet of photocopy paper which you then use your craft knife to cut out a sliver. You then place that over the drawing at the place you want the whisker to be. Hold the mask down firmly so it can't move and firmly erase the whisker O0
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Soizic on July 15, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
there is nothing wrong with your drawing. Never be shy to put anything here. Remember that we are all learning to draw and paint. If we don't see your mistakes then we can't help you to correct them O0
The mask is simply a sheet of photocopy paper which you then use your craft knife to cut out a sliver. You then place that over the drawing at the place you want the whisker to be. Hold the mask down firmly so it can't move and firmly erase the whisker O0

Thanks for the encouragement and I will try your mask method. :thankyou:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on July 15, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
Whiskers can be tough  :tongue:   I tend to have a problem with knowing when to stop! The last dog I drew almost ended up with bottle brushes!!!  :2funny: Fortunately the little girl with me loved it so I gladly parted with it.  :whistle:
Keep going, you are doing a fabulous job.  O0     :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Gita on July 19, 2019, 06:48:13 AM
You have the Talent. Keep going Soizic! 👍🏼👍🏼
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on July 23, 2019, 04:51:21 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  You are doing very well Soizick.  Keep up the good work.   Patricia
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: TeresaM on October 03, 2019, 10:18:20 AM
Soizic I have only just found this these drawings. Well done your progress is coming on so well.  :clap: :clap:
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Annie. on October 03, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Hi Soizick,
I just saw your work, welcome aboard.
You have made great progress since you start  :clap: :clap: :clap:

If I had listen to my little inner voice when I started, I would have given up drawing. 

The best advice, beside all the valuable technical ones, that Dennis gave me was:  to do my best, post it whether I thought it was good or no, and not to critique my own work but to let others do the critique.

I have learn much more following this advice, that I would have otherwise.  I also almost gave up WC because of my self critic... now I enjoy it so much.

Just slowly keep at it, you are doing well.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Bill76434 on October 03, 2019, 09:54:44 PM
I'm still catching up with the posts and pleased to have come across your drawings.
Title: Re: Soizick's Let's Draw Course
Post by: Trace on October 03, 2019, 10:26:41 PM
Hi Soizick, Great to see a kindred beginner.  :1hug: I started a few months ago & going at my own pace, as I tend to forget some things & need to go back over past lessons to make sure I've included those things I've learnt at each stage into the new lesson.
I'm still refining the basic skills of hand positioning and the different pencil sharpenings.

I love seeing your drawings & found similar challenges with each lesson & end up doing some of them twice - the tiger & whiskers esp, & I feel confident that I will revisit attempting the tiger again - hopefully when I learn to use paint. 
I'm loving the lessons, & support from others, & esp Nolan & Dennis and seeing others works & their journeys.
But esp loving what emerges from my page - no its not a picture of what my minds eye would like, but snippets of catching something that has a bit of depth that hopefully one day may develop into an overall picture of completeness.