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Title: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 04, 2019, 11:49:49 PM
I have a request from a very good friend (She is 101 years old) to paint a portrait of her daughter, a surprise gift.
The reference photo quality is not very good. see below
I am having difficulty in capturing the likeness and expression.see my attempt. I traced it.
 I would like some advise on the values please
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: njnjgirl on December 05, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
I think it is a good likeness.  There is hair by her left eye that I do not see in your drawing or it is too dark. 
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Win on December 05, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
 The shape and likeness of her face is good Bill but you need more dark values, on her neck the shading needs to be much darker and fading out. You seem to have stopped with the shading on her right side leaving a lighter strip between that and her hairline. The left upperlip in the photo is thicker and higher than the right, in your sketch its the opposite.
Thats just my humble observation. Hope it helps a little
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: JayJ on December 05, 2019, 04:29:20 PM
It’s really good Bill...!
I agree with Win about the left upper lip and maybe right eye  could be a tad bit smaller and more deep set ?
Looking forward to finished drawing!
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on December 05, 2019, 06:04:59 PM
spot on advice so far O0
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 05, 2019, 09:40:42 PM
 :thankyou: Mary Lou, Win, Zayn and Nolan. I also note now that the cheek profile should be altered.
I shall adjust and transfer to the W/C paper, I anticipate doing at least two A4 paintings before the final. One on HP and one on CP, see what looks the best then hope for the best.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Win on December 06, 2019, 06:10:47 AM
I also note now that the cheek profile should be altered.
I shall adjust and transfer to the W/C paper, I anticipate doing at least two A4 paintings before the final. One on HP and one on CP, see what looks the best then hope for the best.
Aah its going to be a Watercolour Painting, thought it was to be a graphite sketch hence my remark re shading. Im sure its going to look terrific when finished.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: TeresaM on December 06, 2019, 06:18:02 AM
Hi Bill why don't you just get the photo printed big enough to trace. Painting it is going to be hard enough. Just an idea  :gl:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 06, 2019, 09:56:54 PM
Thanks Win.
Teresa thanks for the comment. I have traced it on A4 size but being a poor resolution photo the eye details are not clear.
I shall persevere  :whistle:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 08, 2019, 09:00:23 AM
Well this is my third attempt and I am frustrated, I will not give up but feel I need to do something different for a break
Any advise will be welcome. Also advise for background please.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: JayJ on December 08, 2019, 09:28:23 AM
I don’t do water colours or portraits...but I really really like it!is it the same one as I saw earlier in the gallery?
The only thing ....my eye keeps going to ,is the bottom part of left cheek do you need little more shadow or trim the edge bit more?
Let see what the experts say!
Great work Bill!!
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: njnjgirl on December 08, 2019, 11:43:58 AM
I think it looks great.  Looks just like her in the photo.  Not sure if you even need a background. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on December 08, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
I think you have captured the likeness and the personality in this painting :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

The bottom left corner that Zayn is referring to is just slightly wider where the cheeck and the mouth meet, but not so much that I would worry about it.

The only thing that bothers me is the strong V shape on the neck. I would suggest softening this effect by lightening the lines on the inside of the V O0
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 08, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
 :sweat: Gee thanks everyone, I intend to see my friend today to seek her opinion.
I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: TeresaM on December 09, 2019, 01:50:12 AM
Bill you did a wonderful painting  :clap: :clap: I hope your friend likes the painting.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Win on December 09, 2019, 11:06:01 AM
 :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: scouserl41 on December 09, 2019, 03:03:22 PM
Looking good Bill. portraits are so hard.
Could I suggest lightening up the far cheek to push it into the background more? In watercolor you can wet the area then mop the color off with a paper towel. Go slowly and don't scrub the surface off!
Brian.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on December 09, 2019, 07:02:43 PM
 :gl:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 09, 2019, 10:24:56 PM
 :thankyou: Teresa,Win, Brian and Nolan.
Unfortunately my friend was not enthusiastic, correctly stating the  skin and hair colour were not correct.
As you can see the ref photo is very poor quality so I am going to take photos of Dianne (The daughter) and attack it once more.
Once again many thanks to all at Paint Basket.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: njnjgirl on December 09, 2019, 11:44:08 PM
That is too bad.  You captured her likeness and as far as skin tone and hair color, that can be tweaked.  Good luck with your next attempt. :gl:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on December 10, 2019, 06:52:35 PM
 :crazy2:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 10, 2019, 09:49:50 PM
Thanks Mary Lou, Hey Nolan the customer is always right   :coffee:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on December 11, 2019, 06:31:12 PM
I've been in business long enough to know that isn't true, we just pretend they are >:D
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Annie. on December 12, 2019, 04:01:04 AM
Yap!  :crazy2:

Bill, chin up.  Cannot please everyone, many have unrealistic expectations.  Take your loss and move on.  Not worth pounding on it.  We love your work  :hug:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: scouserl41 on December 13, 2019, 04:24:14 PM
Unfortunately people see what is in their minds whereas we see what's on the photograph. I've heard the same story from friends who are professional portrait painters.
Chin up, move on.
Brian
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 14, 2019, 01:03:54 AM
Thanks for the encouragement Nolan, Annie and Brian.   I've been a photographer for many years  and I know what pleases some doesn't others. I will carry on. :painting:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on December 29, 2019, 10:26:40 PM
I am at the finishing stages of a new portrait. I am having problems with the hair colour.
Any help would be really appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on January 01, 2020, 08:09:36 PM
start with a neutral grey, then add small touches of colour too it.

I am seeing touches of yellow oche as the colour accent
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on January 01, 2020, 09:23:53 PM
Thanks Nolan, I'll give it a go  :painting:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on January 02, 2020, 12:15:23 AM
Here we are My FINAL painting. This is from a new photo I took of her.
Thanks everyone for your support. I present it to her Mum tomorrow.


The photo of Dianne and her Mum, Peg who was 101 years old two weeks ago. A remarkable Lady.

Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: njnjgirl on January 02, 2020, 02:14:03 PM
Bill, I think this looks good, you have captured her likeness, love the eyes and your artistic license of having her mouth slightly open.  How did her Mum like it?  Amazing looking woman for her age..wow!  Would love to hear her life's story..what changes she must have witnessed! 
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on January 02, 2020, 06:43:46 PM
very good likeness Bill :clap: :clap: :clap:

 :gl: with the reveal
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: JayJ on January 02, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
A very good likeness Bill!


Bet your client is happy!!!!
Love the eyes!
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Win on January 02, 2020, 10:35:45 PM
You have captured her likeness pretty well Bill. Im sure she will love it. 
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Cath on January 02, 2020, 11:22:56 PM
 :clap: :clap:  :clap: Bill.
I hope the lady gave her approval this time.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on January 03, 2020, 05:52:22 AM
 :thankyou: for your support  Mary Lou, Nolan, Zayn, Win and Cath.
Success  :yippee:
Peg has so many stories to tell. Her memory is remarkable. I have spent many happy hours in her company, she lives on her own (with home help in mornings) refuses a wheelchair (uses a walker frame) and insists on preparing lunch for me.
I feel privileged to call her a friend. Here we are together.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Cath on January 03, 2020, 08:05:18 AM
 :yippee: great news, Bill.
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: JayJ on January 03, 2020, 08:10:37 AM
 :twothumbs: :twothumbs:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: njnjgirl on January 03, 2020, 01:08:59 PM
Great news.!  She looks like a lovely lady and nice that you are such great friends!
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Annie. on January 03, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
Your positive posts really put shine on my day!  Beautiful portrait painting!
All my best wishes to you three  :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Win on January 03, 2020, 06:28:28 PM
Special moment :smitten:
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: Bill76434 on January 03, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
 :thankyou: Everyone
Title: Re: Dilemma
Post by: nolan on January 07, 2020, 07:35:21 PM
fantastic :clap: :clap: :clap:

and great that you have such a good and independent friend :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
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