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Title: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 05, 2012, 10:39:06 PM
In order for me to easily find and answer queries about this Lesson I will appreciate it if everyone will keep these  to this specific Lesson Posting only. This will also be of benefit to you as well in the future.  Thanks

Download the reference Photograph  HERE (http://courses.paintbasket.com/handouts/watercolours-lesson-17-reference-photo.pdf)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: erika on May 06, 2012, 10:34:33 PM
Thanks for this webinar Dennis, I could only watch the very last half hour (cherry on top!) so will have to wait for the replay to see how you stretched the paper.

I love the ease with which you bring a wc to life - it really is inspirational to keep going... as my karate instructor always said: there are three rules to success
1. practice
2. practice
3... practice

And I think it was Gary Player who said the harder he practiced, the luckier he got  :nosey:

Have a happy day and thanks for the great instructional videos  :smitten:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 07, 2012, 01:07:49 AM
Hi Erika, glad you managed to see the last part of the painting showing how to change a photograph to suit your own interpretation of the scene - taking a standard and making it a bit more exciting.

I just have to add the screen grabs to the pdf and that will be available the same time as the replay.

Thanks for your comments. I quite enjoyed painting this scene. Yes, it was Gary Player answered a reporter who told him he was just lucky to have won that particular tournament.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Vangie on May 07, 2012, 05:32:55 AM
Hi Dennis/Nolan
Hello.
Just here for a quick visit... I'm trying to figure out which webinars I've yet to book.  Please let me know if I've already booked/paid for this webinar Watercolour #17.  I couldn't see it on the list on 'Watch Paint Basket TV Now' to book.
Thanks
Vangie  :confused:  :)

Hello Everyone  :hug:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 07, 2012, 05:52:47 AM
Hi Vangie. According to my records you have not booked in for any of the following lessons: 17, 18, 19,20.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 07, 2012, 10:54:40 AM
The Demo on stretched paper

(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx360/artyman/DSCF1809_450.jpg)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on May 07, 2012, 02:17:45 PM
 :clap:   :clap:  This lesson was brilliant Dennis   O0  Being able to actually watch you paint was a truly enlightening and inspiring experience. Nolan made mention that you both 'try' to give us the direction that we need. I feel it deserves reiterating that you do not try... you DO, and by your doing instill in us the inspiration and confidence to go forward.   :clap:    :yippee:   :clap:
Thank you just doesn't convey the grateful bonds you have forged. 
As the Rasta say,  Ja Bless.   :-*
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: C.Bodine on May 07, 2012, 04:27:13 PM
Dennis, as always, another great show! Thank you! I was really excited to get to be in class for once in about a month and ahalf!  I have been away from home every weekend for awhile.  I have had to miss Nolan's classes, also.  The woodshop has been extremely busy! It is such a disappointment not to join in the live lessons, but I am so thankful for the replays! :thankyou:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 07, 2012, 07:26:32 PM
 :urwelcome: Val. Just glad you were able, for a change, to watch the whole class - fantastic.

Welcome back, Christina. It was good to see your name suddenly pop up on the chat box. It's terrible when work gets in the way of your hobby :whistle:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on May 20, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Dennis

A bit of confusion for me:

In the notes you say all surfaces (to stretch on) must be waterproof, but then in the video you say the tape may not stick properly to smooth surfaces.

After a couple of coats of polyglaze my board is ultra smooth - obviously because it is basically a layer of plastic to seal the board. Do you think it is it going to work for stretching?

Obviously straight MDF would eventually become ruined by water, so I was just wondering what direction to take.

Do I go and buy another sheet of thick MDF and use it. If so how do you then seal it to keep that adhesion?

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on May 20, 2012, 10:33:04 PM
Batman I'm looking forward to the answer to that too as I've been wondering the same.   :confused:

Dennis, please  :help:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 21, 2012, 12:34:12 AM
A difficult one to give you a positive answer on. I mentioned glass and melamine. Melamine is usually used for shelving, etc. The main problem is in the actual top surface of whatever you use to stretch on. Some surfaces may have an "oily" finish and nothing sticks to it. Also if the surface is too rough then there is not enough surface contact to take the strain of the drying watercolour paper.

A lot of problems can stem from the gummed paper itself. I have in the past bought a roll that was absolutely useless and the gum was of inferior quality and did not have the "stickiness" of quality gummed paper.

The gummed paper can also loosen if the watercolour paper is too wet when applying the gummed strip, with the result the paper under the strip is still too wet in relation to the drying watercolour paper.

There are other factors as well to take into account such as the temperature and humidity in to air, etc. So you see there are just too may things than can go wrong and waste precious time and paper. For me personally - as a professional - I have gone over to the heavier paper that does not require stretching.

I can't give a hard and fast rule so each will have to experiment to see which option suits them the best.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on May 21, 2012, 12:40:12 AM
 :thankyou: Dennis.  It sounds complicated!

I think I'll pay the extra and continue to get the blocks for anything I very seriously attempt to do, otherwise, I'll cut my sheets and tape them down with masking tape, similar as to what you do.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on May 21, 2012, 09:02:30 AM
Thanks Dennis

I think what I'll do is head on down to Bunnings at some point and get a nice thick piece of MDF = 20 or 25mm thick - and coat it with Polyglaze and see how the tape goes at sticking.

I don't want to go ruining the board I already made for drawing and watercolours by cutting into the protective coating with a knife when removing the tape.

 :thankyou: for your consideration anyway.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 21, 2012, 09:05:37 AM
You don't remove the tape by cutting. Soak it thoroughly and then it lifts off. You can then scrape the residue off with a blunt instrument and wash the board to get rid of the glue.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on May 21, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
Thanks Dennis,

But at the end, you distinctly cut straight into the board to remove the picture, then you say to sponge the tape to remove it from the board.

Are you saying it is okay to sponge the tape off the board to remove the picture, then trim the edges?

I am really thinking of getting another board to lay on top of the existing one. I gave it the surface I did to stay as pristine as possible. Don't like the idea of knives on it.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 21, 2012, 08:51:12 PM
I cut the gummed paper but NOT into the board itself. See the sketch
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx360/artyman/Image1298_400.jpg)
By regulating the cutting depth as shown in the photo I can easily make the cut
(http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx360/artyman/DSCF1849_crop400.jpg)
If you watch the video again you will see me feeling for the ridge at the paper's edge so that I know exactly where to make the cut. I've been doing this for years without damaging my boards.

I NEVER sponge the gummed paper off the finished painting - that is a recipe for disaster. Leaving it on will will not affect your framing unless it is too close to the edge of the painting itself.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on May 22, 2012, 03:10:15 AM
Okay Dennis,

If you say so, I will give it a go. I imagine an extremely sharp craft knife is pretty important though.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 22, 2012, 05:34:19 AM
Try it on test pieces until you get the "feel" of it.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: GailBrown on May 23, 2012, 07:16:08 PM
Tried stretching the paper, didn't work so well on first attempt, came unstuck on two sides-tried to apply new tape to rescue, but paper buckled when I painted.  Haven't tried painting on attempt # 2, will let you know.  For some reason nobody posted an attempt at this one, so here is my attempt.  Not totally happy, skies are still trying for me but learned a bit about painting water over sand and that info will come in handy for future paintings.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Harald on May 23, 2012, 10:54:01 PM
Nice picture with nice colors and good depth. Gorgeous.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 24, 2012, 03:49:11 AM
Thanks, Gail. Also wondered why nobody has painted this at all - strange  :o

Very nice painting. All will eventually click and come right with practice.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

As I mentioned in the class - stretching paper can be very tricky at times and mishaps can happen even with professionals. Sometimes even I have to re-soak the paper and try again  :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Harald on May 24, 2012, 08:02:38 AM
Sometimes the drying process starts before the tape is fixed. It can help adding over an aluminium foil that is slightly smaler than the paper. This will slow the drying process and the tape have more time to attach. Harald
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 24, 2012, 09:01:20 AM
Very good idea indeed. What I have done in the past is to keep the center of the paper slightly damp with a sponge until I feel that the tape has started to dry out and by the time the paper dries out the tape has taken fast.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Rkymtnmary on May 24, 2012, 01:33:51 PM
Hi, Dennis -

I absolutely love what you did with this scene and was just amazed watching you bring it all together.  The reason I haven't painted it yet is that when I went to watch the reply, I had a great deal of difficulty of seeing what you'd put down on the w/c paper to frame the scene.  The image on my screen was very faint and when I made my first attempt at it, my perspectives were all wrong because I had to guess at the lines and I am nowhere near a place where I can just ad lib so to speak...lol.  So I put it on my back burner hoping that there might be a time I can!  Sometimes when I can't see something on the paper because of glare or lighting, I'm able to do something basic like extend out a line but in this case, I just couldn't establish what was happening above the horizon line so I put it aside for another day when my mind can fill it in because this was one of my all time favorites.  (You should know I say that about all of your paintings - LOL!)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: anita on May 24, 2012, 07:06:50 PM
Lovely Gail, well done  :clap:  I think your sky looks fine - I have trouble with them too :)

Here's another attempt for you Dennis, although I haven't got a board yet so haven't had a go at stretching:)




Anita
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on May 24, 2012, 11:48:31 PM
Gail and Anita, I really like both of your paintings.

I think they are very well done!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

The business of life is getting in the way right now.  I'm behind in the watercolour lessons.   :'(
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Bhavna on May 25, 2012, 02:01:27 AM
Lovely Painting Anita and Gail  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: eftpower1 on May 26, 2012, 01:21:14 AM
Gail, I really like the water!!!
 the variations are beautiful.  Pardon the pun, but it FLOWS :clap: :clap:

Anita

I am impressed with the SKY.. the most challenging thing for me has been to get skies to come out looking like skies instead of mud puddles  :2funny: ( Via the art critic, my wife) :yippee:

Brian
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: NHC50 on May 28, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
Dennis I have a question.
When you were cutting your watercolor paper from the gum tape. I noticed you left it on the watercolor paper. Do you leave it on even when you put it in a frame? What about if you sell your work. Do you leave it on?
You said the worse thing to see is a watercolor in a frame that is not smooth. So how do you get away from that without stretching? I don't I would like doing the gum tape. What kind of wood do I need to just staple it?
I was at Hobby Lobby and I came across a watercolor board call aquabord. Just for watercolor. Have you seen it, or tried it yet? Also another was called Master Touch canvas for watercolor.
oops I guess I had more than one question. :2funny: :2funny:
Nina  :flowers:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: eftpower1 on June 13, 2012, 02:42:15 PM
here is a picture of a "tiny, insignificant little wrinkle in the brown tape, no big thing. It's ONLY 2 & 1/4 inches long :2funny:




And here is the damage


what you are seeing is a piece of scrap watercolor paper stuck thru the resulting tear, and the pencil marks I tried to use to show the size of the tear ( shown  From the back of the painting)  the tear is also about 2 & 1/4 inches long [ it is UNDER the tape so it does not show and a mat would cover both the tape and the tear.

A lesson well learned, hope this saves other from similar problems

brian 
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on June 13, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
That's interesting, Brian.  How did your paper tear in the first place?  Was it when the tape pulled away from it as it dried?
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: eftpower1 on June 13, 2012, 03:17:44 PM
I'm assuming it happened as the paper dried.  I did not discover it until I cut the painting free from the board.

I know Dennis ( I think) spoke about how much pressure / pull the drying paper exerted. It sure does get "Drum tight"
Brian
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on June 13, 2012, 03:29:15 PM
It's amazing how much pull that paper has when it shrinks as it dries.

I'm glad you've got the tools to stretch your paper.  I know how frustrating the buckling was for you.

Thanks for posting a good tip.

I think I might try using a cheap dollar store canvas and try stretching paper over it, stapling it to the back as in the blog link Nina gave us.  That sounds interesting and no reason why it wouldn't work.

...just another thing on the back burner.  I'm busy concentrating on the drawing course right now.  Also, I still have paper left in the blocks I bought ages ago.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on June 13, 2012, 08:41:15 PM
I have never been able to find the parcel tape here in the caribbean so have used wide masking tape. Works reasonably well, but does have its ups and downs as well.   ???
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 21, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Hi everyone

Even though I have been stretching paper the way Dennis describes in the lesson for a couple of months now, this is the first time I attempted to paint the painting he does in the lesson (I'm progressing through them in order.)

Let me know what you think of my efforts.

Batman.

Stretching Paper (seascape)
Stretching Paper (seascape)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on July 22, 2012, 02:03:09 AM
Batman the clouds in your painting are perfect and the effect very nice.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

The mountains and the trees and bushes are very dark and gray-black whereas they should have  been a greenish colour. What colours did you use to mix for them?
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 22, 2012, 02:14:26 AM
Hi Dennis,

Ultramarine, and combinations of either cadmium yellow and or yellow ochre, plus Burnt Sienna to darken. They are darker in the scan than the actual painting, but are certainly on the grey side, rather than green.

I think I was using too much water, because the greens were too transparent prior to trying to darken with the Burnt Sienna. Was Burnt Sienna the wrong colour to darken with. I thought it was a shade of red... Albeit a very brown one. I was trying to get some shadow colour in there.

I did try some Viridian too, but it was coming out too golf course green for my likening. I wanted the deeper, deep green look. The only part I was really disappointed with was the green of the foreground bushes. I would have liked them a bit greener.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ncwren on July 22, 2012, 05:24:05 AM
Those are really nice clouds!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: anita on July 22, 2012, 06:32:53 AM
great clouds batman  :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 22, 2012, 08:45:05 AM
Thanks ladies

I was really happy with how they turned out. Actually it was a bit of a shame to cover them with the trees in the foreground.

As to the greens, looks like I'm going to need to revisit that lesson and do some of those swatch sheets that Dennis left as an optional extra exercise.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on July 22, 2012, 09:46:39 AM
Burnt sienna is actually  dark shade of orange and not red, that is why it went into the gray muddy shade.

If you want to use viridian for greens you must add another colour to it to tone it down. Add orange to viridian and you will get a shade of sap green, for example.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 22, 2012, 11:38:01 AM
Okay, :thankyou: Dennis.

As I said, I think that I need to go back and do some of those swatches you have in the notes to get a better understanding of it. I didn't do them first time round, just the full painting and moved on.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on July 22, 2012, 11:40:35 AM
I really like those clouds too, Batman.  Except for the grey, a nice painting.   :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Lesson learned on mixing greens, huh? 

 :thankyou: Dennis, mental note taken re mixing orange and viridian to make a sap green.  I will experiment.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Honeysuckle73 on July 22, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
 Great clouds batman. To me they are one of the hardest things to get right. I am going to start the wc course this week..

Batman -  :congrats:   :twothumbs:  for being featured member painting.  You truly deserve it.  Your Tui is beautiful
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 22, 2012, 06:28:57 PM
Thanks Honeysuckle. I was just applying the stuff from the clouds lesson. Whatever you do, as you progress, since a lot of lessons will include clouds, watch that lesson and re-watch it.

And the big thing for me - don't forget the paper towel trick. It is what creates the realism as far as I am concerned!

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: eftpower1 on July 31, 2012, 04:32:05 AM
i agree with the batman...re: watch and re watch the cloud lesson and as for paper towels . i can not tell you how many paintings got saved because of paper towels O0 O0

And Mr. B,  another 'ata boy" on the clouds :clap: :clap:
Brian
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 31, 2012, 05:14:41 AM
Thanks Brian, I tried to get them a little special.

Batman.

Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Harald on July 31, 2012, 12:55:43 PM
My picture at last, some wrong color here and there?
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ImBatman on July 31, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
Nice work Harald.

I think you are right though. Particularly the houses on the hillside. You don't appear to have faded out the ones further away from the water.


Nice job though. Remember, these exercises are about learning techniqes, not producing masterpieces. Nice if it happens, but not essential to the learning process.

Batman.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on July 31, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
I agree on the houses, a light wash maybe or lift out a bit. Well done Harald.   :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Harald on August 03, 2012, 08:54:17 AM
Thanks for good advice, I`ve tried to korredt the picture.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 03, 2012, 11:36:15 AM
Excellent, Harald!!!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

This is the one I forgot to do.  I must back track and do it.  It looks like fun.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: C.Bodine on August 03, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
 :clap: Great job, Harald!!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: eftpower1 on August 06, 2012, 01:23:24 AM
Harold.

There is something I really like about your Island!  i can not put my finger on it, but I get a very nice  emotional reaction to the Island

Regards,
Brian
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on August 06, 2012, 07:40:19 PM
Brian, it's those very nice loose washes of colour at the base of the trees - excellent  O0
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Harald on August 06, 2012, 08:05:43 PM
Many thanks for your positive feedback, They provide encouragement for futher efforts.
This task was fun to solve and I see forward to seeing their pictures.
Harald
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on August 06, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
Looks great Harald.   :clap:  Seeing all of your lovely paintings...I must paint again soon!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 07, 2012, 02:28:51 AM
Beautiful, Harald!   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 17, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
I'm going back in time, but I realized I hadn't done two of the exercises and I wanted to do them before I start where I left off in getting caught up with the lessons. 

If everything is ok with my Lesson 12 and Lesson 17, I will start the waterfalls.   :yippee:

Lesson 17 was about stretching watercolor paper.  I have to admit, I didn't stretch this on a board or use the paper tape.   :blush:  I do have a supply of paper tape but I have to get a board ready.  Nina gave me a great idea and I will try it out when I get a chance.  But for now, here is the exercise for Lesson 17
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: polliwag on August 17, 2012, 08:29:19 PM
Lillian,  I'm tired of repeating myself about your paintings!  So I'll just say "Ditto" :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Thank goodness for these emotions characters!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on August 17, 2012, 10:23:37 PM
 :2funny:  Dianne.

Great job Lillian. I can tell the tree exercises paid off   O0  Nice colourings throughout and excellent depth.   :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 17, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
Rita, Dianne and Val, I'm tired of saying  :thankyou:   :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

BUT THANKYOU!  :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:

I had fun doing this.  I LOVE WATERCOLOR!   :)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: NHC50 on August 18, 2012, 12:07:53 AM
Well lets see. What can I say. Hum. OH YEAH!!! AWESOME JOB GIRL.  O0 O0 :clap: :clap: :yippee: :yippee:
Nina  :flowers: :1hug:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 30, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
 :wave: Nina,

As I already said, I haven't prepared a board to do this painting, just did the exercise.

You mentioned somewhere that you prepared a wooden TV table. 

I'm trying to do mine today.  I have it on the deck and have sanded it and I'm trying to spray a finish on it between wind gusts. 

 :offtopic: I think we're feeling slight effects from old Isaac.  I think he's peetering out though, just wish he'd give us a little rain.  It would be nice if he'd spread it around a bit instead of dumping it all in one place.  :)

You said your table worked fine to stretch your paper. 

My question is, how very smooth do I have to make it?  Does it have to be bottle smooth in order for the tape to stick?

Do you still stretch your paper on your little table?

I've put 3 coats on it now and I've run out of finish.  I think I need to get another can as there were some mars on the table that didn't get smooth even with the sanding and spraying.

I'd be grateful for any input from others who have done this as well
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: NHC50 on August 30, 2012, 05:11:56 PM
Lillian it sounds like you have enough coats on you board for stretching. Yes I still use it to stretch watercolor paper. I also use it as a drawing board. It works great for that. Hope this helps.
Nina  :flowers:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: helena12 on August 30, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Hi,

I haven't stretched any paper so far because I use blocks. So the paper buckles of course if it is wet and it buckles even more if it is wetter, so that I sometimes have some dales where I have  a couliflower farm. But in the end it is all plain again. But the thus growing couliflowers are a pain in the neck to me. Is the result with a stretched paper better, so that it doesn't buckle a much as a paper of a block? I can imagine that it wouldnt't buckle so much as it has been expanded to the utmost degree because of the water?? Is it worth the trouble or does it buckle anyway?
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: helena12 on August 30, 2012, 05:27:07 PM
Lillian,

I'd like to compliment you for (on?) your nice paintings as well. All of them, they are all great and so beautiful. I have written a reply on your waterfall but it didn't show in the forum. I wondered where it disappeared to. Into thin air I hope, because it would be little emberassing if it showed up in another thread. It's all a riddle to me. Anyway, the waterfall was fantastic too.   :clap: :clap: :clap: Just three claps, because I have to save my strength for the pictures to come. I'm waiting. :)
 :painting:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ncwren on August 30, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Beautiful painting Lillian!  :)

One of these days I'll work my way through all of these lessons!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 30, 2012, 09:39:35 PM
 :thankyou: Nina

I will give stretching watercolor paper a try.

 :thankyou: Helena and Natalie for your kind remarks on my painting.

Helena, I know what you mean.  I use the blocks as well and when I use lots of water on the paper, it still buckles and the pigment tends to fall in the valleys.   :tickedoff:    After the painting dries, it does come out pretty well flat.

I have more trouble that way with the less expensive blocks I'm using for the watercolor exercises.  I don't know why I continue fighting with this paper for the exercises instead of getting the better blocks.

I'd love to be done with the problem.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: polliwag on August 30, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
I started out using a finished board that came out of a shelf unit.  Worked fine.  You can purchase these boards at the home supply stores..Lowe's, Home Depot..etc.  I'm having trouble finding the tape!  Supplies are limited where I am now, and I really haven't searched a lot.  I know I can buy it online from the art supply though, so if I don't run on to some soon, I'll order it when I need some other things.  Good Luck Lillian!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 31, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Ok, I finished re-watching the video on how to stretch our paper.

I have my paper taped on my board!   :yippee:  It looks like it's going to work ok. 

I now plan to try stretching paper over a wooden canvas frame, not for a while yet though as today I'm planning to paint the hibiscus exercise on my watercolor block.

I'll think of something to paint later on, on my stretched paper.  Hmmmm.  I think I'll study Nolan's photo editing video and try fiddling around with my hibiscus photos and see what composition I can come up with.

So much inspiration!!!  Wide open, endless possibilities thanks to our  two :smart: :smart:  tutors.

Dennis, you mentioned that you don't stretch your paper for large paintings because you use 200lb? paper.  Then do you do your paintings the same way as on your other videos, hinging it on the board at the top and putting masking tape inside where the actual painting takes place?

I think you may have missed my painting exercise for this class which I did not do on stretched paper, but on the block.  Do you see anything I could have done better?

Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: polliwag on August 31, 2012, 04:37:48 PM
Lillian, this painting looks really, really nice.  I tried to look at it to see what it says to me (trying to be the real art critic, right?) :2funny:... and what I see is a cute little opened mouth alligator in the lower right corner of the island.   8) imagination, eh?
or perhaps that's a peninsula instead...
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: helena12 on August 31, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
 :2funny: I'd rather say it's and old one. Look carefully and you'll see that it is loosing part of his teeth, poor chap
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: polliwag on August 31, 2012, 05:48:03 PM
Yes, but I can see the sparkle in his eye just above those back few teeth.  Painting is still awesome!...and the gator is not a bad thing by any means.  Maybe he's like Waldo...just hiding in there some where.  Maybe you hide gators in all your paintings.. probably a sub conscious thought of wanting to be with us down in sunny Florida! :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on August 31, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
Dianne!  You caught me!  Yup, subliminal gators!   :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: SunRai on September 01, 2012, 01:37:20 AM
It's sort of like me looking  at clouds!  We have lots of wonderful clouds, just about every day.  I see something in EVERY cloud, even when no one else does!  Where I do my Physical Therapy, there is big picture window that has a nice view of the sky.  Instead of thinking about how many more reps I have to do  :sweat:, or how bad it hurts  :'(, I daydream on the sky!  :cloud9:  Often, I wish I could pick up a paintbrush right then and start painting.  But,  I also laugh at all the things I see - alligators, dogs, rabbits, cats, trees, arabic writing, snakes eating their tails, and more! It's a great distraction!

So - alligator or not, it's still a great painting, Lillian!  :clap:

-Pat
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on September 01, 2012, 04:46:21 AM
 :thankyou: Pat
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: C.Bodine on September 01, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
Another lesson conquered,Lillian! Well done!

Dianne, I use the blue painters tape.  You know the kind that goes around baseboard or doors when you are wanting to protect them when you are painting a wall. Easy to get(Walmart or home supply store in the painting section, of course.) I still use the hair dryer like Dennis, but I have never had a tear.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: polliwag on September 01, 2012, 02:54:18 PM
CB... you mean you use that for stretching paper?  I can't even get it to hold my paper down for painting.  I've tried the artist tape as well and neither seem to stick to the paper when it is wet.  I use to put the paper on the board and tape it down and then brush the water on, but I didn't see how it could stretch that way.  Then I learned to totally wet the paper at the sink, then tape it on the board...which the gummed paper tape would stick to that.  I have a roll of the blue tape which I think is the 3m brand.. maybe it's old?? Maybe you know the secret??  I haven't seen Dennis's method yet, but I've watched several different methods on Youtube.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: C.Bodine on September 01, 2012, 08:07:26 PM
Dianne, shame of me for not reading the post more carefully!! I do not use the painters tape for strecthing! (I haven't had to do that yet, since I buy the blocks.)  I just use it to tape around my pic when I am painting.  :blush: Sorry!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on September 01, 2012, 08:48:34 PM
Lillian, all you need to do to the painting is to glaze a slightly darker colour over the water in the front so that the water gets lighter towards the horizon. This will optically flatten out the water.

Use the gummed paper tape for the actual stretching of the paper to the boards and then the normal masking tape for the border of the painting itself.

A properly stretched paper will have very few or smaller buckles (less sediment or cauliflowers) when painting and lie perfectly flat when dry.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Lillian on September 01, 2012, 09:07:54 PM
  :thankyou: so much Dennis for coming by.  You're always so helpful!  I see what you mean about glazing the water in the front.  It makes so much sense!

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Use the gummed paper tape for the actual stretching of the paper to the boards and then the normal masking tape for the border of the painting itself.

I did use the gummed paper and stretched my paper as you showed us in the class and the replay.  I'm so pleased with the result, so next is to put the masking tape around the area where I will be painting.

Now do I dare try a paint along?    :confused:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: polliwag on September 02, 2012, 03:07:25 AM
Lillian, No pressure, but I have the utmost faith that you will do fine in a paint-along... Good luck tomorrow!

CB, no problem... quite often I jump ahead when I read things and end up with the wrong idea.  Not a good habit for me.  Anyway.. all is well.  I just knew that didn't work for me, and I thought you might have inside information. ;D.  I do have another question.. Exactly what tape is used to attach the painting to the mat.  I have used the artist tape which didn't work.  I just thought it might, but no success.  I looked online and noticed there are different tapes that are available, but I cannot decide which would be the best and if there is a specific one that is preferred over the others.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: C.Bodine on September 02, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
Dianne, let me clarify your question before answering this time! :D Are you talking about a finished painting you want to mat? If this is your question, you would use acid free tape that you can get from a craft supply store.(Hobby Lobby etc.) They have it in the scrapbooking section. At least, this is what we use at the frame shop when we mat and frame paintings or photos. 
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ncwren on September 02, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
Lillian paint along-there is no time to think what you are doing when you are trying to keep up with Dennis!  :D
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: njnjgirl on November 29, 2012, 11:14:34 PM
This was the 3rd attempt and for some reason I had a heck of a time with the background especially where the little houses are. Plus I have a ufo in the sky ... :(
 
 
 
 The numbnail looks better than the actual painting...
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Happychappy on November 30, 2012, 01:11:54 AM
 :clap: njnjgirl, nice painting.  I love your trees, very well done.  I haven't done Lesson 17 nor have I purchased it so I will have to do that at a later stage.  Patricia
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Sarah (arch) on November 30, 2012, 01:30:35 AM
How about we all just promise to look at the thumbnail? ;)  Well of course we won't. I think your sky and trees are good. I don't see any ufos. Those tiny houses would be almost impossible! Did you try the stretching with gum tape? I bought some a while ago and still haven't broken open the package. I have to start stretching. I admire how hard you are working at this. :clap: so many projects completed!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: njnjgirl on November 30, 2012, 11:56:24 AM
Thank you Patricia and Sarah.  I didn't stretch the paper.  I didn't have a wooden board or the gummed tape.  I was more interested in praticing painting .  You might say I am a bit obsessed with it right now  :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Denise808 on December 29, 2012, 08:30:19 PM
Another nice painting Mary Lou :clap: :clap: :clap: I also didn't stretch my paper although glad I got the info. I wanted to take advantage of the  :painting: lesson.
Check out my houses.....they should make you feel better about yours. I've decided mine are large orange mushrooms dropped by your UFO ;D  Or, maybe Rita's mushrooms have migrated ??? ...
Also, I usually like my colors strong, but I may have gone a little too far on this one :P
Anyway, as usual all comments on how to improve this are welcomed. Thanks all :)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: njnjgirl on December 29, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
Thank you Denise.  I really like your sky, water and trees.  I like them alot. I really like the whole painting!   :clap: :clap: :clap:  The area with the houses, well, seems we both have our struggle there.  Dennis makes it look so easy.  A dot of red and white here and there and in his painting it looks like a little neighborhood.  So overall I say very well done and as I far as the red roofs.....I will leave that to Dennis...b-t-w. the bold colors are great!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Bhavna on December 29, 2012, 09:27:29 PM
Lovely painting Denise your sky and water looks awesome. :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: scribe on September 13, 2013, 02:39:13 PM

This is the first WC I have done in over a month. It is surprising how much one can forget in just a little time. :-\

I am still have trouble with skies - I overwork them. This piece is my third attempt and I use a technique other than the one Dennis showed. I plan to spend some time learning that technique,but don't hold out much hope. May have to stick with what works. :confused:

Dennis are the houses to bright at the waters edge or should they be more muted?

Peggy
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: NHC50 on September 13, 2013, 03:00:05 PM
 O0 O0 Peggy there is nothing wrong with your sky. it looks fine. I think you did a very nice job on your painting. And yes I agree, when you don't paint for awhile, you do tend to forget. Or it could be a senior moment.  :2funny: :2funny:
Nina  :flowers:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on September 13, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
Peggy,

That watercolor sure looks good to me, even the sky is good.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Ray3 on September 13, 2013, 05:14:18 PM
Some beautiful WC pictures well done Denise and Peggy the effort going into these pictures is really working
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: scribe on September 13, 2013, 07:31:14 PM
Nina, I have a great memory, it is just very short and getting shorter as I age. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

 :thankyou: all for your kind comments. It is appreciated.

Peggy
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on September 13, 2013, 10:47:54 PM
This is a very nice confident-looking painting :clap: :clap: :clap: There is nothing wrong with the sky. Those bright houses are in full sunshine and draw the eye right into the focal area O0
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on September 13, 2013, 10:49:48 PM
Dennis beat me to it!  :2funny:   He said it so...... "ditto".  :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on September 13, 2013, 10:52:08 PM
My middle name is not Lightning for nothing :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on September 13, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
 :2funny:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on September 14, 2013, 12:47:50 AM
Thanks, Maria.

I took the picture to my oil painting teacher today and she said I need to work more on my clouds!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: scribe on September 14, 2013, 01:49:19 PM
 :thankyou: Dennis and Val.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: jrhall036 on September 14, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
Really lovely painting, Peggy!  Take a bow!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: scribe on September 14, 2013, 08:52:03 PM
 :thankyou: Jani
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 20, 2013, 11:07:06 PM
I can now take this class off my must do list! I have to say, I stretched the paper first and it's remarkably unbuckled! Guess I should have taken this class sooner - would have saved me a lot of grief!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on September 21, 2013, 02:54:35 AM
Nice painting, Sharon.

How do you find the time to do it all!!

aloha

mea (marveling)
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 21, 2013, 04:47:58 AM
Thanks, Mea...and I shut down my business in May, so I have a lot of time on my hands these days!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on September 21, 2013, 04:51:57 AM
Sounds to me that you have a whole new business opening up.

Good luck -- sell those paintings!!  (But it sounds like they are selling themselves)

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 21, 2013, 05:02:41 AM
Mea - part of me wants to see if there's an opportunity to make some money from painting...but I still have so much more to learn! Gotta keep taking those PB lessons!
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on September 21, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
Sharon,

Sounds like you are in the enviable position of doing both - selling as you are learning.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Bellarina on September 05, 2014, 08:34:13 AM
Im wondering if I could use the reinforced gummed tape for stretching the paper. Has anyone used this and did it work?  Thanks
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ncwren on September 05, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
I dont know what the reinforced is...
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Bellarina on September 05, 2014, 02:24:25 PM
Natalie I just posted a pic
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: ncwren on September 05, 2014, 03:09:54 PM
Have not used it.  That being said I see no reason not to use it!  O0
Looks more expensive, unless that is what I had on hand I would just buy the regular stuff.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Sherri on December 15, 2014, 03:17:26 PM
My submission for this lesson.  I did not have the proper supplies to stretch but used heavy duty masking tape.  It made a huge difference so can't wait to get the proper supplies!!

Sherri

Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Judylh on December 15, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on December 15, 2014, 04:34:13 PM
Sherri,

What a nice painting!  I have no idea what the stretching is all about, so will have to take the class.

Really good work, girl!

aloha

mea

Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on December 15, 2014, 04:55:58 PM
Well done Sherri  O0   Stretching the paper makes all the difference with the lighter weight papers.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on May 24, 2015, 11:12:10 AM
I am still battling with the clouds, I hope one day I will be able to do it correctly.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Bellarina on May 24, 2015, 03:02:51 PM
The colors are wonderful Louisa.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on May 24, 2015, 04:23:38 PM
Louisa,

I went back and looked at everyone else's submission for this lesson.  You did well.

Maybe next time, just do a clearer sky as Dennis did.  Also, the red roofs on your houses in the distance seem too bright to be so far away. Maybe a light mistyish wash would tone them down.

Otherwise, I'd say you did quite well.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on May 24, 2015, 05:12:50 PM
Thank you Robin and Mea. :hug: :hug: Mea I did not know I can do that, I will immediately do that wash over the clouds, thank you. :thankyou: :thankyou:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on May 24, 2015, 06:26:19 PM
Louisa,

I meant the light misty wash for the roofs, not the clouds.  Be sure to use very little water so that the reddish color won't bleed.

Hmmm, though, maybe a wash over the sky might blend it better, too.  Not sure about that.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on May 25, 2015, 06:47:06 AM
When you wash the sky, turn the painting upside down so that the water does not run over the painting itself. Try to use as little water as possible to reduce buckling of the paper. Otherwise, the techniques are there :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Danielle123 on May 25, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
Well done everyone.   Somehow I have never seen that lesson and missed painting it.  Will have to check that out.
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on May 25, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
Lovely piece of work Louisa  O0 Will look excellent once you get that light wash on.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on May 25, 2015, 05:53:14 PM
Dennis and Mea thanks for all the good advice on my painting, I will definitely try and do that. Daniel and Val thank you too for all the nice comments. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on August 24, 2015, 06:21:03 AM
I was reviewing Dennis's class on how to stretch watercolour paper and saw how effortlessly he did trees using the side-of-the-brush technique.  So, I tried it as I needed to do a tree-filled background for a painting I am working on as a wedding present.


This was just for practice and I spent less than 10-minutes on it.  I know I need to do a better job on the trunks, though.

Love the technique, Dennis.  Thanks.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: dennis on August 24, 2015, 06:35:22 AM
A very good impression of the trees :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: MaryAnne Long on August 24, 2015, 06:43:24 AM
Thanks, Dennis.  I am so happy to know this technique now.  This is the easiest way to make this type of tree!

aloha

mea

Title: Re: LESSON #17 - How to Stretch Watercolour Paper
Post by: Val on August 24, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Well done Mea, your trees are going to improve dramatically from that little exercise.  O0    :clap: :clap: :clap:

Funny thing.... I was watching that same video yesterday afternoon! I skipped the stretching bit as I don't need help with that, I was like you, interested in the tree technique. Just shows, being able to review previous classes really helps.  :twothumbs: