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Oil Painting => Oil Painting Classes => Topic started by: mahlstick on June 28, 2012, 10:43:31 AM

Title: Oil Painting QnA
Post by: mahlstick on June 28, 2012, 10:43:31 AM
 :confused: Nolan - One [of many] things I struggle with is making cast shadows correctly. I know that to get the cast shadow you add the opposite on the colour wheel. But what if the cast shadow falls on different colour surfaces, eg say a nice large tree, casting a shadow on the grass, then onto a white fence, and then onto a tarmac road. Do you use just one shadow colour, or three, because it sounds to me as if it would look odd. Help please
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on June 28, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
I have a problem with seeing what colours are in an object. Like in the classes you just look at something and say ok a mixture of say this and this and this. I don't seem to 'get' that  :confused:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Lillian on June 28, 2012, 12:34:27 PM
Maryna, I'm not sure if Nolan has some better advise, but I think this comes with experience.

Also, I think if we keep watching Nolan mix his colors on the pallet, it helps.

It's time I reviewed the color mixing video.  It's been a great help to me, a real paint saver.

As well, making color wheels will help.  Dennis has some good videos on that.

We're all on the learning curve.   :1hug:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Lillian on June 28, 2012, 12:36:06 PM
Excellent question, Mahlstick.

I'll be looking for the answer!
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: NHC50 on June 28, 2012, 12:48:58 PM
Maryna don't feel bad. I still have that same problem sometimes. And I have been painting for while. Like Lillian says it takes experience. We will get it.
I guess we have to take those rose colored glasses off.  :2funny: :2funny:
Happy painting Maryna.
Nina  :flowers:  :1hug:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Gloria on June 28, 2012, 01:48:51 PM
Same problem here Maryna.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on June 28, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
I am sure Nolan will address our concern in the next live Q&A session :)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: GailBrown on June 28, 2012, 04:27:59 PM
I have struggled with getting colours right for a number of years.  This is what I found helps-get the colours out that you are using.  Mix up all the colours on the colour wheel.  Add white to all of them and do gradations from pastel to full chroma.  Mix up greys using all the complementaries.  All the paint companies have different biases with their paints, and it helps to know that your paint is more red or blue than what perhaps Nolan's is.   This allows you to adjust it to what you want/need (ie a little more red or blue).  Knowledge is power, and you only get that through practice, practice, practice-that is the plain truth.  But know that we are all struggling with colour-even those who are you might consider experts.  I feel a lot more confident that a few years ago, but I think I will always want more colour knowledge-paintings that are successful colour studies are visible a mile away.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on June 28, 2012, 07:34:03 PM
Post your questions for the live QnA class in this section O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: RA on June 29, 2012, 02:01:50 PM
Hi Maryna,

Some great advice from the others.

Another aspect that you might have to take into consideration is that if you are trying to match the colour mixtures of someone else you should be using not only the same colour name but also the same pigment and preferably the same manufacturer.

This is due to different manufacturers being free to use different pigments and different manufactuing methods to produce their colours, specially 'convenience' colours which tend to be less standardised than others like raw sienna, burnt umber, etc.

If you have a look at www.handprint.com (http://www.handprint.com) you will see the huge amount of differences amongst manufacturers and their paints.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on June 30, 2012, 06:17:33 AM
Book the live class HERE (http://www.paintbasket.com/paintbaskettv/?stream=live) O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on June 30, 2012, 08:18:32 AM
I would like to book for this class but when I click the link I don't find where to book.   :help:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on June 30, 2012, 10:05:49 AM
try again Val
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: mahlstick on June 30, 2012, 02:19:19 PM
 :help: Hi Nolan. Another area I am struggling with is with painting a wooden bowl. Having watched the video several times I have painted several wood chopping boards and have been reasonably satisfied with the results, But when I try to use that knowledge to paint a rounded wooden bowl I seem to have something of a mental block, because it just doesn't work for me. Hope you can help.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tousabella on July 01, 2012, 12:23:23 AM
Nolan, when blending acrylics, do you use the 'cross stroke' and scrub the colors together?  Also, do you use white to lighten in acrylics? (I'm taking w/c at the moment.)
Don't worry, by the middle of the class, I'll probably have more questions!  LOL
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: marcanut on July 01, 2012, 02:23:27 AM
Nolan,

Im still having problems with the skin tones,  specially from light brown people.
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Post by: Linda (linobe) on July 01, 2012, 04:48:58 AM
I would like to see how to paint abstract backgrounds for things like floral paintings or portraits, etc.; how to make decisions on what colors to use and knowing when to underpaint in acrylics.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on July 01, 2012, 09:28:01 AM
I would like some more explanation on the following colours:  naples yellow and raw umber.   I was told not to use raw umber as it muddies the painting.   I have used it since you have introduced this colour and find it very useful.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on July 01, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
Painting clouds especially the perspective.     
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on July 01, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
Highlighting a red rose so that it still looks red and not pink or yellow.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on July 01, 2012, 10:17:51 AM
How to see the colours within a colour. Meaning how do I know I need to use say ultramarine and cad yellow etc (sure you know what I am talking about)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: claude on July 01, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
I like blending with my fingers. Somebody told me it was dangerous. Is it and if so why?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tony (ASM) on July 01, 2012, 05:39:26 PM
Q.1. I'd like hear a bit about 'Glazing' and what benefits it brings and why it's used.

Q.2. I'd like to learn about cleaning paintings. I ask this because, on close inspection of my recent painting 'The Eggsecution', I noticed a lot of fine dust/hairs or something had landed and stuck on it.

Q.3. Can light or dark be detrimental to a painting.

Q.4. When looking for a scene to paint, it's rare that it contains all the elements of a good painting and, a person can spend a very long time trying to find one (like fishing, the good one always gets away as you drive along a scenic route!). Is this where the 'Shadow Box' comes into its own? Create a micro scene where one can manipulate the elements, etc? Or, perhaps composite photo cut outs to create a scene.

Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Vangie on July 02, 2012, 01:48:53 AM
Hi RA.  What an interesting website!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

Hi Maryna.  I sure have the same problem as you... we'll get there with more practice, I hope.

Cheers
Vangie
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Lillian on July 02, 2012, 01:52:53 AM
Vangie!  So nice to see you here!  Are you through college/university for the season?  How's it going for you?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Rkymtnmary on July 02, 2012, 03:06:53 AM
My question is more of a philosophical nature and I hope I can get across what I'm asking. 

Prior to finding PB, I didn't even know that it was possible to paint unless you were a "real" artist.  But now, because I can do "x, y and z," I know that it IS possible to paint via the acquisition of  a skill set and various techniques.  I can now, whereas before this amazing education, I couldn't.

But what I yearn for is a feeling that I am a "real" artist and by that I mean one who views the physical world in a certain way with a natural ability to translate images, feelings and observations into a work of art.  To be able to take those skills and generate, without a prescribed pattern, a piece of art that originates from emotion, perhaps, mind, spirit..whatever it is that makes one comfortable in embracing the word artist and self together. To truly self-create I guess is what I'm saying.  How do you make that leap?

Nolan, if I made what I'm asking clear, would you mind sharing some of your own perspective on how you see and live your art apart from the education you provide to how we really come into our own skin as an artist?  I know practicing it certainly has to be a feature but how do you bridge what the eyes communicate to the hands and become part of the soul?

Ya, I know it probably sounds crazy...lol...but I'm comfortable being crazy!   :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Kelley on July 02, 2012, 03:11:08 AM
Along Tony's lines of questions, is there a proper storage position (flat vs vertical) and location for oil paintings as they dry?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tony (ASM) on July 02, 2012, 07:38:24 AM
I've got another question and, one that other people may relate to or, find interesting:

The thought of painting outdoors (assuming the weather is gonna be okay), can strike fear into new Artists when they may attract attention of onlookers. This requires a high degree of confidence, built on a foundation of knowledge, to be brave enough to do so. I do wonder what percentage of people actually do get out there and try this and, what advice would you and Dennis give on this subject?
I think people don't actually know when they are competent enough to accept they are an Artist, brave enough to perform to a small audience (maybe the sale of ones work and positive comments builds this confidence).
I suspect that people may fear other knowledgeable artists in the audience could throw difficult questions just to be cantankerous.
This is something I'm gonna have a go at next year. I'm gonna paint the Bob Ross style paintings because they can be done very quickly (half hour or so). I will let 'ya know how I get on. Oh, this leads me to the question, have you ever done outdoor live paintings to an audience Nolan or Dennis? (I don't mean teaching a class) and what kind of experience can share about it?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on July 02, 2012, 08:28:53 AM
Just thought I mention, remember our questions must be based on classes that Nolan presented and what problems we still experience in some of those techniques.

 ;)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tony (ASM) on July 02, 2012, 09:20:28 AM
Thanks Maryna! I didn't realise  :blush: Oh well, if Nolan runs out of questions, he might be able to use these as a back up.  :)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Gloria on July 02, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
Dont know if this question is allowed but I'll ask it anyway. When doing an expressive portrait painting, you know the one with all different colors of brushstrokes, how do you determine what color to put where. Thanks Nolan.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Rkymtnmary on July 02, 2012, 02:46:45 PM
Just thought I mention, remember our questions must be based on classes that Nolan presented and what problems we still experience in some of those techniques.

 ;)

Thank you for your reminder, Maryna.  I thought perhaps since everything I do comes from Nolan's classes, it might be an appropriate place to ask.  Nolan, please forgive me for deviating from the agenda.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: GailBrown on July 02, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
I battle with backgrounds for things like portraits and still life, some direction on this topic would be great.  I am also with Mary regarding moving to the next level with your paintings, after you have achieved significant enough skills to successfully execute a painting-it is the feelings, the story, the mystery in the painting, both for myself and the viewer that I want to be able to express. Seems a lot harder right now than the technique stuff.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 02, 2012, 08:14:38 PM
thanks for the questions so far guys, keep them coming, even if they are not all from previous classes, we can rather have too many questions than too little.

Gloria, please expand your question a little more : "When doing an expressive portrait painting, you know the one with all different colors of brushstrokes, how do you determine what color to put where. Thanks Nolan." Do you have an example I can look at, etc. I am just trying to get on the correct page with this question.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tony (ASM) on July 02, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
I know the way Nolan explains about determining colours for a particular part as: 'Base Colour/Mid Tone', 'Highlight' and 'Shadow' but, for me personally, I found that it caused ambiguity over that 'shadow' part. So, I changed it to a different set and, I hope this is okay as a question to clarify if it seems okay. I look for these 7 colours/tone elements for a particular colour part of a scene:
 
1.  Midtone/Base of that colour (Tonal number 5) Nolan, can you guide me on these numbers to correct 'em?
2.  Darkest part of that colour   (Tonal number 9 )
3.  Lightest part of that Colour  (Tonal number 2)
4.  In-between Colours (Tonal number range 3-4 between lightest & Mid/Base.  6-8 between Mid/Base & darkest)
5.  Reflection highlight (lightest Light)  (Tonal number 0)
6.  Cast Shadows
7.  Colour Reflections created by nearby objects

Am I missing anything vital? Should I have included the Tonal Range number guide to these colours? A Notan? Perspective colour changes? etc?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Gloria on July 03, 2012, 03:25:39 AM
Nolan, if you do a search on google "expressive portrait paintings" its the first item on the page with some examples. I believe it is also referred to as a painterly style or broken color style. Thanks
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Karen on July 03, 2012, 06:45:36 AM
If it's not too late, I'd like to know a bit more about painting thickly with acrylics - ( oils too) particularly foregrounds for landscapes - grasses, weeds flowers stones logs fences, marran grass and sand etc. I've tried painting with palette knives and scratching with credit cards but apart from rocks my close foregrounds are not very convincing - and I'm never sure how much detail to keep and how to lose some.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Lillian on July 03, 2012, 11:47:10 AM
I hope I am not to late as well --

A new member asked about acrylic paint lifting off the canvas when glazing.  I have never had this happen to me but I would be interested in knowing why that would happen and what can be done to prevent it.

I will be working in acrylics for my next project.

Interesting questions here, ...looking forward to the class.   :yippee:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tousabella on July 03, 2012, 03:58:38 PM
Do you always have to use a canvas for a picture, or can you use paper?  If so, what kind of paper produces the best "keeping quality", so that the paint doesn't come off? 
Thank you.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on July 03, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
This is not really class based, but I have an issue.

My painting of Mr Rooster I did is cracking up on me.  :'(  I did not use any medium in my paint as I tried to create some texture in the feathers. Now I am wondering, isn't it maybe because I am using different brand types that this is happening. I noted the one brand's oil content is allot more than say my W&N. Should I maybe try and get all my colours the same brand? Or what is happening here?

Ps: Nolan, I really hope I can join the class tonight (hope my internet connection co-operates)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on July 04, 2012, 06:24:52 AM
 :'( oh no was last night Tuesday .....can't believe that I missed this important class.   So disappointed with myself.  :fight: :whistle:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on July 04, 2012, 06:35:30 AM
Shame Valweb, if if is going to make you feel any better, I at least had the chat :) My connection gave issues again, I saw about 10 - 15 minutes :( The replay is going to be good :)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on July 04, 2012, 01:54:27 PM
Maryna you made my day......glad there is going to be a replay.   I can kick myself  :banghead:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: marcanut on July 04, 2012, 08:52:50 PM
Nolan, 

this class, as always, was really helpful.  Thank you for answering my questions.  I apologyze for not answering on
the chat; but the computer I was using would not let me write on the chat. 
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tousabella on July 05, 2012, 06:31:50 PM
Thanks, Vangie, for the great website.  Good to know.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 05, 2012, 09:29:26 PM
no problem, i figured it was something like that  ;D
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Post by: claude on July 07, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
Nolan, as you know I have taken a few months leave to tend to my petunias and now that I'm back I want to catch up on the classes I missed. My problem is I have the memory of a sundried raisin and cannot remember which classes I missed. So I sit and watch the show and halfway in it I realise that I saw it before. Very frustrating. So...... would you mind dating the classes. This way I might find where I stepped off. Thank you and hope you are having a nice winter, here it is presently 40 celcius. I am on my patio sitting on a block of ice and drinking a bloody Mary with Mary. Ceasar will join us later. Just revenge for when you are wearing your Hawaiian shirt on Xmas and I' so cold my shlitzeenbergers (women read this) want to fall off.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Lillian on July 07, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:  Claude, you're a hoot!   :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: pahlplatz2 on July 09, 2012, 07:40:40 PM
I really did enjoy the Q and A class. Thank you very much!
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Lillian on July 09, 2012, 10:48:48 PM
 :welcome: to Paintbasket, phalplatz2!  I'm glad you enjoyed the Q and A class.  I did as well.

I hope to see more of you here and I'd love to see some of your artwork.  We are all learning and so grateful to Nolan and Dennis for their good teaching.

A big thank you from me too, Nolan.   :flowers:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: grebarri on July 10, 2012, 01:47:20 PM
Thank you for the Q and A class. I enjoyed the variety of topics and your information was delivered well.
thank you also for answering my question within the class.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 11, 2012, 12:42:29 AM
Pleasure Grebarri O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 11, 2012, 12:44:11 AM
I am busy adding a "recommended class order" list to the Replay pages so those that want to follow in order can. It will be up shortly O0
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Post by: C.Bodine on July 11, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
Nolan, does your wife ever get to see you? Always busy keeping us happy!!! Thank you, AGAIN, for your hard work!
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: C.Bodine on July 11, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
 :welcome: phalplatz2 ! Glad you found our little communty! This is a great place to learn.  Everyone is very encouraging, so don't be afraid to jump right in.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: claude on July 11, 2012, 04:25:22 PM
Due to a bad case of relativesarrivingatthebadmomentitis I could only watch half the class and my question was not answered in the first part.  :confused: So I repeat, Oil painting and pencil drawing, I like to blend with my fingers. I have never found a better tool. Now somebody told me that this was dangerous  ??? What this person trying to sell me a blender or is it true.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: mahlstick on July 13, 2012, 12:56:32 AM
Claude, the answer was No, but if you feel like it you could use surgical gloves, As far as relatives arriving etc, I find a 12 guage shotgun useful!
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 13, 2012, 03:16:26 AM
well, I am not allowed to work on Saturdays  :o :'(
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Post by: nolan on July 13, 2012, 03:17:36 AM
seems like you need to watch the second half then  :whistle:
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Post by: Val on July 13, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
3 Cheers for Mel!   :yippee:   :yippee:   :yippee: 
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Post by: Honeysuckle73 on July 13, 2012, 06:46:51 PM
Hey Claude  GREAT suggestion. Of course Nolan is already working on it.  He is always a step or more ahead of us.  He might be off on Saturdays but I bet he works more than 8 hrs a day. Makes the pay per hour kinda cheap. 

Hey   :hug:  Nolan
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: claude on July 13, 2012, 08:54:42 PM
well, I am not allowed to work on Saturdays  :o :'(

Ok! Since when I'm today you are tomorrow, then your Saturday is my friday, knowing nobody works on Sunday which is your monday when the heck DO you work???  (I gave myself a headache)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: C.Bodine on July 13, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
LOL! :D
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 13, 2012, 09:15:27 PM
I just said I wasn't allowed to work on Saturdays, I didn't mention anything about actually working on any of the other days did I  ???
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on July 14, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
Yeah, we give you too much credit....it's probably all those little computer gremlins do all the work...   :whistle:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: claude on July 14, 2012, 02:15:36 PM
Did you ever notice we never see Dennis's feet. That's because he is chained to the desk and Nolan has him working 24/7 feeding him stale bread and water. Bad bad Nolan, bad boy!
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: musika on July 14, 2012, 02:31:05 PM
Be fair Claude! He does get coffee sometimes.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on July 14, 2012, 02:32:12 PM
 :o   Thank goodness, you had me going for a minute!   :2funny:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on July 15, 2012, 06:23:39 AM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:  Nolan I hope you make her Saturdays special to keep her happy.   Keeping her happy keeps us happy too.   You have a special wife to support you in what you do ....  one can see it by the amount of coffee that keeps popping its head  :coffee:   This  :thankyou: is for her for allowing us to have you for 6 days a week.  These  :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: are for her.

Oh by the way we appreciate you and Dennis - you have inspired many of us.   
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: marcy on July 15, 2012, 11:23:22 AM
enjoyed the Q&A video :thankyou:
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Post by: Lillian on July 15, 2012, 11:44:37 AM
 :bigwelcome: to Paintbasket, Marcy,

I'm glad you enjoyed the Q&A video.  All the videos are very informative.  Nolan and Dennis are great teachers and in my opinion, Paintbasket is the best place to be to learn about painting and drawing.

What medium do you use?  Have you been painting/drawubg long?  How about showing us come of your work.

You'll love it here.  The warning often goes out to newcomers that Paintbasket is addictive.   :2funny:  But it is just that because anyone who has a passion for art and wants to learn gets everything and more by being here.

So enjoy the journey.   :flowers:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tony (ASM) on July 15, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
I've managed to watch the replay of this Q&A session. I've enjoyed it too. Interesting questions put forward by the members and, very detailed answers.
It's great that 'Glazing' is to be in 2 lessons. (I missed part 1 but, bought the replay to it yesterday, as well as 'Glazing part 2'. I also purchased into the 'Paint Snow' lesson.  :yippee:
 :thankyou:
Thank you Nolan for answering about the painting cleaning process. And, thanks to Dennis for his camera work.  O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 16, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
:bigwelcome: to the family Marcy, glad you enjoyed the class  :)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: ImBatman on July 16, 2012, 10:01:13 PM
Thanks for giving the demo of the blending in acrylics Nolan. Should be a great help.  O0

Batman
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on July 16, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
 O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on August 17, 2012, 02:02:14 PM
I have wondered about that myself. If you have a tall building, casting a shadow across a road to another building, a lawn or tree in a park...does the one shadow colour just merge into the others or is a totally different mix required? Glad I found this thread....Nolan, Dennis?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on August 17, 2012, 02:04:03 PM
This sounds like it was a banner class! It's on the evergrowing list!!!

I'm starting to sound like a very spoiled toddler....'I want, I want, I want!'

Getting closer to the teen years.... 'But I really NEED this!'

Teen years....... 'But I'll just DIE if I don't get it!'

Wow...I'm really stuck in a time warp.   :D

 :2funny:   :2funny:   :2funny:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Leana on August 17, 2012, 07:14:02 PM
As far as I remember...with cast shadows... should the one shadow fall on different subjects...then you need to use a different colour cast shadow for each of the components...eg I am busy with a painting of a cat standing in a doorway...the shadow of the cat is falling on the white wall as well as the wooden door frame... therefore the cast shadow colour i glaze on the door frame, will be different to the cast shadow on the white wall...but because it 'flows' as one shadow, even if the colours of the cast shadow is different, it does form a unity...
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on August 17, 2012, 10:18:03 PM
I did answer that one in the QnA class, you mix the shadow colour of the object that the shadow is being cast ON, so if a tree is casting a shadow on the red ball, then you mix the shadow colour of the red ball
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on August 17, 2012, 10:47:14 PM
Right....that's another lesson to add to the list.   :tongue:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: BJSouth on November 11, 2012, 12:35:59 AM
Have seen many how-to videos where painters are using turpentine to think oil paint to near liquid - I thought this should never be done as turps would break bonds in the oil paint.  What are your recommendations for thinning oil paint to very thin consistency?  Or, to thin to any consistency?
Thx! :confused:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: polliwag on November 11, 2012, 03:01:52 AM
BJ, In the free oil and acrylics class, Nolan says he uses a product that they have but do not sell.  He recommends Liquin.  He says he knows it works.  Turps break down the oils and should not be used to thin paints.  I think it is Winsor  & Newton who makes the Liquin. Most of the major suppliers should have it.  I have just started viewing the oil and acrylics class, but I have not started using either of these mediums.  I do watercolor now, but am getting ready to try the oils.  Hope this helps.  I was just viewing this part of the lesson tonight.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: C.Bodine on November 11, 2012, 05:17:45 AM
 :welcome:  BJSouth! Using a product to thin your paints that you use to break down paints when you are cleaning your brushes just doesn't seem like a good idea, does it?  :-\   :)  I don't know why some artists do it! Dianne is correct.  You should never use turps to thin your paint. The liquin is one thing Nolan has suggested.  I think you can use linseed oil, as well. Actually there are several different options, I believe, but wait for the expert to come along and give you the best advice.  I'm sure you will hear from him soon.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: musika on November 11, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
Turps, or other solvents (more accurately, diluents) such as mineral spirits or oil of spike lavender are more or less standard in oil painting. Nolan uses one! BUT, I believe, he recommends not using JUST turps.

Many artists will just use turps to thin for the very first layer (imprimatura) or for toning the canvas and gradually add more oil for each subsequent layer. Turps evaporates quickly (It's like using water to thin in watercolours) leaving the oil paint on the canvas.

It is possible to paint in oils and not use any diluents,  even clean-up can be done with vegetable oil, and soap and water.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on November 11, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Before Paint Basket days, I use to use tons of turps....and suffered from sinus.   Now I only use turps to wash my brushes inbetween different colours and when I am finished painting.   I use linseed oil and sometimes liquin.   I don't think turps is good to mix into  ones paint.  :whistle:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: valweb on November 11, 2012, 04:00:58 PM
I have a book by Helen van Wyk...Colour mixing.  This is what she says..

Q.  What colour do I see.   
A.   It has to be one of these six:  yellow, orange, red, violet, blue or green

Q.   What tone is it:
A. It is light, medium or dark in contrast to its surroundings.

Q.   What intensity is it:
A   It is bright, medium or dull

Q.  What hue is the colour:
A.   It is a warm version of the colour or it is a cool version of the colour.

or:

Use the colour buster that Nolan supplies.   It works well for me. 

It is also very good to do some colour wheels using different blue, red and yellows getting to know ones paint names and colours.

Hope this helps.  :flowers:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Rkymtnmary on November 11, 2012, 07:00:27 PM
I use only linseed oil...I did try a Winsor Newton product called "Fast Drying Medium" and went right back to linseed oil...it was like painting with maple syrup it was that sticky...and looks like it too.  I spilled some, as I always do, and STILL can't get it off my table.   :2funny:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: ImBatman on November 11, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
Thinning with turps? Was that noise the sound of Nolan's heart monitor flatlining???  :2funny:

Batman.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: BJSouth on November 11, 2012, 09:24:37 PM
Wow!  I'm impressed by all the great responses!  Sounds like Liquin or linseed oil wins the day.   
If you do use turps for that first thin layer, will that ultimately cause damage to the painting? :thankyou:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: C.Bodine on November 11, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
The only time I have ever seen Nolan use turps on his painting is to remove something from the canvas.  Then he tries to wipe it off. He has taught us that it will eventually cause the paint to break down.  I know there are many artist who do use it.  What Nolan says just makes sense to me. He does, of course, use it for clean up. 
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: ImBatman on November 11, 2012, 11:55:50 PM
If I may offer a possible way to think of this issue:

Oil Paint is Oil-based, not Turps-based.

The turps is used as a solvent to cut through the oil in cases where removal is required - because water wouldn't work. If turps was a good inclusion in their paint products, I'm sure manufacturers would use it, because it would be much cheaper than the oils they use.

Make sense to anybody?

Batman.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: NOELINE on November 12, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
  just asking?   I watched a U tube video about oil mediums and the overall  producers  shows that you can mix 1\3   linseed oil, 1\3 turps and 1\3 varnish  to make a good oil med.  But i wondered about the turps because i heard the same, turps is not good for the long levity of a painting.  please help me in this?
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on November 12, 2012, 01:09:49 PM
I use Linseed oil, I have never bought Liquin.

turps is for cleaning brushes, DO NOT thin you paint with turps, it will destroy the painting, you will only see the effects in about 10 years or so, then you can chuck the painting away.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: polliwag on November 12, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
I haven't started oils yet, but hope to real soon.  I don't think I will chance using the turps for thinning.  Better to be safe than sorry.  If you clean your brushes with turps, do you just dry the brush off with a towel as much as possible before dipping it into the paint again?  I know the class probably told me that, but my brain is overloaded with all these tips and techniques!  I think as soon as I can find time I will go through the videos again and make a list of such items for quick reference.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Rkymtnmary on November 12, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Diane - I don't know if it's right or wrong but I do it anyway only because it makes sense to me...it seems to me that after cleaning your brushes with it,  that there has to be residue on it whether you air dry or wipe dry -  minimal maybe but still there.  So after I clean them, I always follow up with soap and water and rinse really well.  Thus far, I haven't had any issues.  I actually did have a painting crack and it was not in 10 years but under 10 wks!  It was a landscape lesson Nolan had us painting a house in the foreground to learn perspective and not being happy with what I'd done, I "erased" the whole house with turps which also included the ground in front of the house as well.  Well, it cracked over the entire area and looked just awful.  And unbelievably, my sister loved the "effect" and helped herself to it!  That was the first and last time I ever "corrected" a painting with turps!
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on November 17, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
turps is for cleaning your brushes and not for painting, that is what painting mediums are for O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Kelley on November 18, 2012, 05:50:29 AM
 O0 Agree 100% with Nolan.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on November 18, 2012, 05:58:01 AM
I have been promising to post these photos for ages now so here they are. This is what a painting looks like when you use turps to thin your paints :

Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Kelley on November 18, 2012, 06:01:58 AM
I've seen too many paintings in my area resulting in the same condition.  :(    My guess is whomever the their instructor was had no problem allowing students to use turps.  Shame really.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on November 18, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
What a heartbreak.  :( Lesson understood.  O0
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Leana on November 19, 2012, 03:20:52 PM
Nolan, thank you for posting those photographs.  I have to admit, I have also heard and seen a lot of artists using combinations of Gum turps, stand oil/or linseed oil and Damar... Stand Oil is a very think syrup like medium and it needs to be 'thinned'...and apparently the only thing you can thin it with is Gum or Citrus Turps because it doesn't 'work' in anything else  :confused: ... So to be safe my question is> if you use Liquin... (keeping the fat over lean rule in mind)...can you add progressively linseed oil or Stand Oil to liquin to make it fatter  :confused: or is that a no-no.  I have even seen in a newish local art magazine (been out a year now) where they give or suggest recipes in how to make your own mediums.  What I have noticed is that whenever turps is used...it is mixed with Stand Oil (which I know is also linseed oil, but under went a different process) and not Linseed Oil... the Stand Oil is apparently much stronger and 'bendable' compared to normal linseed oil.

I also looked on a bottle of W&N Painting Medium I have here and noticed it is made up of Linseed stand oil and petroleum distillate (which is> produced from crude oil.  Solvents produced from this includes mineral spirits, white spirits etc.)

So besides Liquin and linseed oil...what would be the best thing to combine with Stand Oil then  :confused:

Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Leana on November 21, 2012, 06:48:49 AM
Nolan ... Dennis..... anybody  :confused: ... help regarding my previous post  :eyesclosed:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: musika on November 21, 2012, 10:31:24 AM
Fat and lean do not mean the same as thick and thin.
Fatter means adding more oil (a fat) even though the result will be a thinner mixture on the palette.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Leana on November 21, 2012, 11:42:36 AM
Thank you for your reply Musica, however I do understand the difference between 'Fat and Lean' and 'Thick over Thin' principles... what I mean by 'thin'...is to make the Stand Oil 'userfriendly' because it is extremely thick as in syrup like.  So basically in general artists would mix Gum Turps with Stand Oil... my question is what can you mix with Stand Oil...because as far as I know you can't use it as is...you need to make it more liquidy (maybe this is a better word to use instead of 'thin')...if you know what I mean... if you refer to my previous post...
Nolan, thank you for posting those photographs.  I have to admit, I have also heard and seen a lot of artists using combinations of Gum turps, stand oil/or linseed oil and Damar... Stand Oil is a very think syrup like medium and it needs to be 'thinned'...and apparently the only thing you can thin it with is Gum or Citrus Turps because it doesn't 'work' in anything else  :confused: ... So to be safe my question is> if you use Liquin... (keeping the fat over lean rule in mind)...can you add progressively linseed oil or Stand Oil to liquin to make it fatter  :confused: or is that a no-no.  I have even seen in a newish local art magazine (been out a year now) where they give or suggest recipes in how to make your own mediums.  What I have noticed is that whenever turps is used...it is mixed with Stand Oil (which I know is also linseed oil, but under went a different process) and not Linseed Oil... the Stand Oil is apparently much stronger and 'bendable' compared to normal linseed oil.

I also looked on a bottle of W&N Painting Medium I have here and noticed it is made up of Linseed stand oil and petroleum distillate (which is> produced from crude oil.  Solvents produced from this includes mineral spirits, white spirits etc.)

So besides Liquin and linseed oil...what would be the best thing to combine with Stand Oil then  :confused:


Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: musika on November 21, 2012, 12:09:13 PM
My reply was not to you, Leana but to Maryna's post, which has now disappeared.  :confused:

Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Leana on November 21, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Musika... no wonder I felt confused about your answer  :heeha:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on November 22, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
Leana unfortunately I am not an expert at all the different types of oils and mediums, so am not in a position to give you any advice regarding the stand oil, sorry  :-\
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Katiew on March 23, 2013, 09:12:19 AM
Am I allowed to put any paintings I paint from these tutorials in my own Facebook photo album? and if I do, are there any particular rules to abide by...aside from the obvious one not to sell etc? I'm new to all this.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Val on March 23, 2013, 10:06:43 AM
Hi Katie, I don't use facebook, but I do belong to another art site where I post all my work and get feedback. When I post a painting from the courses here, I always make a point of stating that it is either from a lesson at www.paintbasket.com (http://www.paintbasket.com), or design is courtesy of Dennis or Nolan Clark, or Paintbasket as the case may be. Always best to give credit where credit is due, and protect their copyright.  O0
After all, if you had worked hard on a design, you wouldn't want someone else using it as their own. :)

Hope this is helpful to you.  :wave:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Maryna on March 23, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
I put my paintings on my Facebook page  ;)
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Katiew on March 23, 2013, 06:41:14 PM
Wonderful. Thank you. Yes credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: nolan on March 27, 2013, 08:33:09 PM
of course you can post your class paintings on your facebook profile. A credit / link to the class / website would be highly appreciated though  :flowers:
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Suzen on November 09, 2013, 02:46:57 PM
After I finish painting, what should I use to varnish my painting. I do not like liquind misspelled. . I find it does not last over time. I use linseed oil as my medium.

thanks.
Suzen
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Tania on November 09, 2013, 10:31:42 PM
I use a retouchable varnish to protect until the painting is thoroughly dry (about 6 months!) and then I spray with Grumbacher spray on varnish - haven't really developed a desire to use the brush on varieties...
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: May lynn on November 10, 2013, 04:39:17 AM
Dear Suzen;
I use Krylon products (Sprays)   The Krylon Gallery Series work very well.   They also, have a Quick dry
for oil painting.   I use it while the painting progressing, or between layers.  For the final Varnishing I use their
Gallery Series "Conservation" varnish in the 1370 Matte finish.   I think this also comes in clear, or gloss.
Krylon makes many products for artists.  Check it out on the web.   :gl2:
May lynn
 
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Germa on November 10, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
I use the varnishes of the brand I'm painting with.
When a painting is finished, I protect it with retouch varnish and when the painting is completely dry, I use a final varnish that's matte.
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: May lynn on November 10, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Germa;
Germa is right on!  Suzen give the painting plenty of time to dry before varnishing.  Nolan suggests up to a
year.   This depends on your areas humility levels.  You decide.   :gl:
May lynn
Title: Re: CAST SHADOWS
Post by: Germa on November 11, 2013, 10:59:09 AM
Good point Mea, and don't forget the drying time depends of how thick the painted layers are. ;)