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Watercolour Painting => Watercolour Classes => Topic started by: ImBatman on July 02, 2013, 05:53:33 PM
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Dennis, with the hake brush lesson coming up, I don't have a Hake Brush. Can a regular Gesso brush be used as a substitute?
I looked on ebay and they virtually look identical without the wire binding. And for one lesson I'd prefer not to buy a brush that at (the cheapest) $15 is more than 1 and a half times the price of your lesson. :tongue:
Batman.
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Hi Batman, I have just read your post and under the TV lessons (big blue button) where he posted the Hake brush lesson, he stated that if you never had a hake brush, you may be able to get away with a big synthetic brush, if that is any help to you for you then won't have to purchase a special brush just for this lesson. Go there and read it for clarification. Patricia
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Ha, thanks Patricia. I didn't read that, I just booked. ::)
They do look a bit like the bristle Gesso brushes I have though...
http://montmarte.net/products/Brushes_Knives_Shapers/Brush_Sets?product_id=385 (http://montmarte.net/products/Brushes_Knives_Shapers/Brush_Sets?product_id=385) and http://montmarte.net/products?product_id=416 (http://montmarte.net/products?product_id=416) are the kind of brushes I am talking about.
Batman.
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Here's a photo of my hake brush. Put it along side yours, I would say it looks passable.
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I'm wondering if the hack is like the bunny brush!! :nosey:
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I have a three-inch hake brush, which might be a bit too large for this. Batman, a hake brush is very soft.
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Ahh - just looks like hog hair. Might need to get hold of one.
Batman.
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Hake brushes are usually made from goat hair, I believe.
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So now the question is 25mm, 38mm or 50mm?
Batman.
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good question as I'm going out to get one soon .....
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For this lesson on the hake brush please don't go to any extra expense at this stage. Use any large flat brush about 1 1/2" (40mm) to 2" wide (50mm) Pastry type brush if you don't have a hake brush.
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In order for me to easily find and answer queries about this Lesson I will appreciate it if everyone will keep these to this specific Lesson Posting only. This will also be of benefit to you as well in the future. Thanks
Download Template:
http://courses.paintbasket.com/handouts/watercolours-lesson68-hake-brush-template-instruction.pdf (http://courses.paintbasket.com/handouts/watercolours-lesson68-hake-brush-template-instruction.pdf)
(#2 rigger brush, 1/2" synthetic flat, 1 1/2" Hake brush)
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:heeha: This is so exciting!!!! I have #2 rigger, 1/2" flat, and 2" hake. Oh boy, oh boy, oh,boy :yippee:
Just a quick query Dennis, what size paper will we need for this one?
Glad you're able to get about ... I've still got the block and tackle at the ready! ;)
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I have planned his one for the usual size. If it finishes a bit early then have another sheet ready for one without a sketch.
It's still very sore but I'm able to do the "shuffle, shuffle" :2funny: :2funny: I'm also missing my classes :whistle:
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Righty-o then. I'll have my big board ready for the second one! :heeha:
:doh: Must get more tape! :run:
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So pleased to hear that you are able to do the "shuffle" Dennis and we have missed you too. I may not be able to attend class and may even get a bit behind as this coming week promises to be busy for me. I will be going to assist an elderly family member who has gone blind. However, I will catch up with the replay. Enjoy the lesson everyone. Patricia
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:yippee: :yippee: I'm so glad that Dennis is back!!!! :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
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:thankyou: Dennis,
I guess the Gesso brushes look and feel pretty much like a kitchen pastry brush, so I guess that will have to do.
Batman.
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My first try om this one.
Harald
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Wow, Harald! You never cease to amaze me! Really well done!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Harald! :congrats: Well done! Just a couple of things -- your man in the middle with the blue shirt has no head.
Also, the large, dark rock on the right could be lightened a bit and not quite so solid. That's the way I see it anyway.
Other than that, you've done an awesome job. :clap: :clap:
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:2funny: Lillian, does anyone really need a head??
Nice job Harald, love the bright, crispness to your painting. Here's my "paint along"/tag along
Darkened up the near bushes per Dennis' suggestion :)
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Uh oh, my guy looks like he doesn't have a head either. He does actually have a yellow hat though! ;D
Harald, maybe your hat's just not showing up in the pic? ;)
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My first live PB lesson, except I didn't come prepared. But, I will make up for that. Welcome back Dennis! Wishing you speedy healing, hoping the "hitch in your get-along" gets all better. By the way, good one Harald! :painting:
Beth Albright
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Harald :heeha: and Denise :heeha: Excellent paintalongs! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I'm so sad :( I couldn't join in. Oh well....there's always the next one! :yippee:
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Great paintings Denise and Harald :clap: :clap: :clap: I lost it in the begining. I'll wait for replay instead of doing by visual memory. See you then, Doina
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Way to go, Denise and Harald! So interesting to see the variety in your paintings, from one lesson.
I look forward to the replay. Can't do live classes very well since my PC is at the opposite end of the house from my painting area.
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Harald, an excellent paint-a-long indeed :clap: :clap: :clap: Just soften the large rock on the right to match the colours of the rocks on the left of the painting O0
Denise, also a good paint-a-long :clap: :clap: :clap: I really love your sky :clap: Darken up the main trees on the near cliff to add the proper contrast O0
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Nice paint along, Denise!!! Well done! I agree with Dennis, your sky is super nice. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Lillian, does anyone really need a head??
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I sure need one! ;D
I received an email from a friend recently. Maybe you've heard this one before, but here goes --
I finally discovered what's wrong with my brain:
On the left side there's nothing right and on the right side there's nothing left. :D
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A hake brush is on my wish list, Harald. O0
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:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: Good one, Lillian!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Superb job Harald and Denise. I have to wait for the replay and then may not have too much time for the next week. I missed not joining in today but it was lovely to see the paintings of those who did. Good job. Patricia
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Thank you Dennis, will darken it up :)
Lillian, that's a super funny quote, my cat caught me laughing out loud all alone :2funny:
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Wonderful job, Denise! :clap: :clap: :clap: You used that hake brush like a pro!! :smitten:
Lillian, I have got to remember that quote! :2funny: :2funny: It suits me perfectly!! ;D
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Denise, see how the darkened bush has opened up the gap between itself and the distant cliff - and added punch to the painting O0
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I finally discovered what's wrong with my brain:
On the left side there's nothing right and on the right side there's nothing left. :D
There are some days...... :2funny:
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herald & denise great paintalong O0 love both your paintings awesome :yippee:
I missed last nite's class it's my birthday on Tuesday the big 60!!! and yesterday all my family turned up and took me out for a surprise meal O0 had a brilliant day. cause my birthday is on Tuesday they are all working and took me out yesterday but have to wait till Tuesday for my prezzies :yippee: so will have to wait for the replay before I can do my painting. again great job herald & denise O0
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Many happy returns come tomorrow! I'll send your ( :bday: ) then! :2funny:
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:bday: Jenny!
Welcome back Dennis! Everyday a bit stronger!
Denise and Harald your paintings are great! Good job.. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: looks like a fun lesson.
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Herald and Denise you guys did a great job. Denise love your clouds. O0 :clap: :clap: I was not able to get on the website yesterday. So I missed talking to you all. Hopefully will see you at the next one. Glad to have Dennis back.
You can't keep a good man down. ;D
Nina :flowers:
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Here's my work on the Hake Brush Beach. I had to leave before Dennis finished so I finished this today before the replay. (My colors aren't as bad as this scan makes them out to be.) Yep, I'll redo with the replay. thank you Dennis
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Denise, you`ve got a nice picture with a gorgeous sky.
Thank you all for the nice comments, I also appreciate the suggestions. I will follow it up and correct as best I can.
It was fun to use the hakabrush again so I painted a new Picture. Hope it is an improvement.
The first is painted with W&N Artist watercolour on the second I used Cotman.
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Carol, I love this. :heeha: The tide pool is a bit washed out, but as you said it's probably the scan. Regardless, I think the overall effect is great. O0 :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Harald, that's a fine re-do. And goes to show that student-grade paint can produce vibrant results. Good for you for your perseverance! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Dennis, thank you for suggesting darkening the bushes. Yes, I can really see how it changes the depth, what a difference! :thankyou: remembering that will really be helpful when I do my future paintings .....
Harald, I love your second painting also, thank you for sharing the comparison with the paints. The rock re-do looks great and I'm glad your man now has a head in the second painting ;)
Carol, very nice painting! :clap: :clap: :clap: I really like the dreamy look it has...
Thank you everyone! for your nice comments :smitten: looking forward to seeing your :painting: also :)
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I can't add anything to what's already been said. I'll just say, "Ditto! Well done, Carol and Harald." :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. I appreciate your looking at my work. Lovely work :clap: Harald and Denise. Did I miss someone? :sweat: I will check.
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Harald I also love your 2nd painting :clap: :clap: :clap: Your rocks are much more realistic. You are doing well lately O0
Carol, This one has a character completely on it's own. An excellent example of just how to make a painting completely different than the reference - no copyright issues this way and still end up with a good painting :clap: :clap: :clap: Just blue up the tidal pool and your painting will be OK O0 Looking forward to see the actual one you are going to paint :flowers:
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Harald, :thankyou: so much for the paint comparison. I am amazed in the variation of the different tints of the same colors. Both paints produce brilliant colors, but they produce different hues. Excellent 2nd painting, by the way!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Carol, I love your hake brush painting! :clap: :clap: :clap: Your rocks are superb!! :smitten:
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:clap: :clap: :clap: Very nice re-do Harald. I am shocked to see that Cotman colours are more vibrant than the proper W&N paints. Just goes to show that sometimes the cheapies are just as good or even better colour-wise.
Carol, I really like your rendition for it has a "calm" feeling about it. Good job. Patricia
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Having used both of the above paints, it just comes down to how much water. Where the difference comes in is the longevity and resistance to fading.
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Carol, a nice picture where you`ve gone your own way and made it your own. Impressive.
Thank you everyone for the nice comments. It sounds like music.
I find it interesting to compare the differetn paint qualities and this exempel clearly shows that there are other things than the qualities of the paint that determines the end result.
I like the Artist quality best but belive that cotman also is fully applicable.
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Soooo, the trouble began when I decided to make the template poster size. And it went downhill from there. It just got to the point I was laughing out loud to myself no less wondering what Dennis would think if he had a view of my new technique. Sorry, Dennis...I tried...but something tells me the hake brush is not for me! But I had such fun so that's that and now on to the next experiment!
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Mary, just because you did not give up here's a big :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Large parts of the painting has been well done, specially the figures.
My main concern is that you have the template tilted too much downwards to the left. That can be seen relative to the top line of the painting. The horizon line should be completely horizontal as now it looks like the water is sloping.
General note to all:
Remember, mistakes are all part of the learning curve and without them we will not grow properly. They are but stepping stones to a higher level (pun) O0
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I love your bold colors, Mary!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Come on Mary...that's not half bad O0 I just about go :goofy: just thinking about painting something that big. My biggest board is 1/2 imperial .... I have it stretched and ready to go. No idea what I'm going to put on it yet... :eek:
Wait 'til I get back and have a crack at mine...then we can both sit and :2funny: 'til we :'( !
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Mary, just because you did not give up here's a big :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Dennis - thank you - and believe me, I wanted to! What I SHOULD have done was looked more at the sketch once it was transferred and THEN say, oh, you better rethink this!
Large parts of the painting has been well done, specially the figures.
Thank you...figures always scare me...I have a very hesitant hand when I approach them for some reason.
My main concern is that you have the template tilted too much downwards to the left. That can be seen relative to the top line of the painting. The horizon line should be completely horizontal as now it looks like the water is sloping.
It's funny how I never even saw that UNTIL I photographed it - which is not an uncommon phenomenon to me at all. I think this one demands it to be a do-over and not as a poster either! Thank you so much for your treasured expertise...I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Take good care, Dennis and thank you again.
General note to all:
Remember, mistakes are all part of the learning curve and without them we will not grow properly. They are but stepping stones to a higher level (pun) O0
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I love your bold colors, Mary!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Thank you, Jani! A brand new color wheel! LOL...nothing subtle here for sure! Thanks again!
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Come on Mary...that's not half bad O0 I just about go :goofy: just thinking about painting something that big. My biggest board is 1/2 imperial .... I have it stretched and ready to go. No idea what I'm going to put on it yet... :eek:
Wait 'til I get back and have a crack at mine...then we can both sit and :2funny: 'til we :'( !
Oh, Val, we'd need a carton of tissues if we did. I have plenty of poster size paper for you as soon as you settle on your subject...maybe a few mountain ghosts?? Thank you, darlin'. As always.
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Love your paintings, they look just great and i think you have all done an amazing job. I have a Hakebrush but seldom use it, wished i had the possibility to buy this lesson so i will know how to paint with it, well some other day ^_^. Looking at your paintings i am really surprised to see what is possible with this brush.
JennyLinn a belated :bday: , i had my birtday in the same week ^_^.
Not painted after the Dragonfly, had some other rhings on my mind, but hopefully in a few weeks i will try it again. For now i have to deside if i go for the operation or not, i just have this weekend for it...operate of=r live with how my wrist is right now, well at last i can still paint ^_^.
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Mary, I love your painting with those bright vivid colours! :smitten: :clap: :clap: :clap: You're very brave to go bigger. I think the composition is so lovely, it deserves a larger size.
I'm hoping I can get on the live class tomorrow. I have Adobe Reader installed on my laptop now but I can't seem to see proof that the Adobe Flash Player is there as no icon is showing. It's telling me I have it successfully installed. I wonder if it's in the Adobe Reader??? :confused: I'll ask Mr. Google and if all else fails, I'll just ask Ray. :) :angel:
Riya, so glad to see you here. :1hug: I'm glad you can still paint. As for the surgery, it sounds like it's a major decision as to whether you want to have it or not. Whatever you decide, I :pray: it's the best for you.
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Carol nice job.
Harald what a difference. The second one is great. O0 O0
Nina :flowers:
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Finally got a start on this! :yippee: Have only been at it for FOUR HOURS, and managed to fight my way through to 52minutes of the video... :crazy2: . Have lost the video again, so decided it's a good time to have a break and a tot of rum to soothe my frazzled nerves. :D ;D
I really think I would have been smart if I had waited until next week and seen the mixing greens class! :2funny:
Cheers, Val :faint:
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Only 11+ hours over 2 days!!!! :heeha: I really am improving! :yippee: :2funny:
Gave up fighting with the video and took matters into my own hands... >:D gotta love that 'artistic license'!
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Val, I certainly concur that you are improving :clap: :clap: :clap: Excellent painting overall with good colour perspective and good greens O0 Also a lovely sky and the pile of rocks.
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I must say Dennis... this was a lesson and a half! :sweat: If I had walls, this brush would be great for the paste (wallpaper) :tongue: I think it will be great fun for use on larger, looser type paintings. Another hurdle to overcome...BIG paintings! :faint:
:doh: Oh the battle with those greens! You've no idea...really looking forward to next Sunday.
Thanks much for your perusal, now go put that foot up! :2funny:
Must add...it is a nice sky (for a change) isn't it? Pulled out my trusty butterknife for the rocks. :whistle:
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O0 O0 O0 Fantastic painting Val. Geez, you did yourself proud. I still have to do this one. Still trying to catch up on all the posts. Patricia
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:thankyou: Patricia, this was great fun but what a workout! Wish all my paintings were this 'easy' :o :faint: :2funny:
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Well Val my dear, look what you accomplished. O0 O0 O0
Nina :flowers:
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Val! This looks beautiful! :yippee:
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Val,
I have no idea what a hake brush is, but you certainly have learned to use it well. Great painting.
Definitely up to your high standards.
aloha
mea
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Val, you've graduated up to whole different class level!! Wow, look at that painting!! :yippee:
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Nina, I have all of you who have posted your painting before me to thank. When the video fails, I study each one and see what is where and hopefully how you did it. So thanks for that. :clap: :clap: :clap:
When all else fails... that's when artistic license takes over! :heeha: The rocks just wouldn't look right...so painted them over and out came my trusty butterknife.... voila! Rocks! :2funny:
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My goodness, Val! You are moving upwards by leaps and bounds!! This is a FANTASTIC painting! I love your trees, the rock cliffs, the sky, and the HOUSES!! Awesome job!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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:thankyou: Susan. I think I've set a new record for time talking to myself! :2funny:
Mea, here is my hake brush.... I've got a long way to go to using it well. :crazy2:
Denise...I guess you could say it's a whole different level! :heeha: :D :2funny:
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:heeha: Jani! The trees....how many colours...how many layers? :confused: No idea! :2funny: But yes, I am very well pleased with my trees. The rocks were a move of desperation...I'm like Zorro with a butterknife! :2funny:
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Val, I'm so amazed at the progress you're making with all your watercolour paintings! :yippee:
You did great on this one! I really like all of it including the people. I like the pose of the fellow in the blue shirt! O0
You've had fun using both big brush and little. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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:thankyou: Lillian. I'm still unnerved by adding people. I am reasonably pleased with these...they do resemble people somewhat, the blue guy is my favourite too. I tried to make the orange one look like walking in the water...I think it looks more like it has 'gumby' legs! :2funny: practice, practice, practice! :D
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Hey, you did it, Val!! And did it well! :clap: :clap: :clap: Love the painting. I'm still in the gin phase. :2funny:
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Hmmmm, interesting brush, Val.
I really like it when you folks post your tools. It helps me visualize what you are talking about. Thanks.
aloha
mea
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Nice work Val :clap:
It would want to be - 11 hours??? :heeha:
Batman.
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Judie, it would appear the rum did help! ;D
Your welcome Mea. :urwelcome:
Yep....11 hours. Bman. :sweat: Sure beats when it used to take me a week and more. O0 ;D
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Hi everyone
This one wasn't so much a "Hake Brush" demo for me as it was a "Gesso Brush Demo" because not having a Hake Brush, I had to use a hogs hair bristle Gesso brush instead. Dennis seemed to have a lot easier time with his nice soft Hake Brush.
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Gesso Brush Demo! |
Let me know how you think it turned out.
Batman
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I think it turned out great Batman! The texture looks different which gives it a nice interesting touch - almost like you used super rough watercolor paper. Love your color/tonal contrasts, gives your painting a richness to it 8)
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Batman, actually a very good painting with a Gesso brush :clap: :clap: :clap: Well done O0 I just feel that the sand in the middle is a bit too dark. Nice clouds.
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Really nice, Batman! :clap: :clap: :clap: I like the added texture from the gesso brush. Really unique!!
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:thankyou: Denise :thankyou: Dennis :thankyou: Jrhall
I did get a little carried away with the rocks...
Batman.
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Val....great job. It's lovely and your people are perfect.... :clap: :clap: :clap:
Batman....yours is very impressive too, especially with your choice of brushes. Good job!
(ps. I found four goat hair hake on ebay for 8.00 US) They are 1, 2, 3, and 4 inches.
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:thankyou: Tousabella.
Hmm, I had a look previously, and the best I could find a set for was around $20.
Batman.
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Good job Bman. Cool textures. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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:thankyou: Val.
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Val, it's wonderful! The paper you're using seems to have a lot of tooth. (But what do I know...being long in the tooth, myself. :o )
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Some fine paintings here. I don't have a hake brush, so I used a large flat brush that I have and then I used a pastry brush. Here is my attempt:
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Mary Lou, I like this painting very much. Your people, pools, and shadows are terrific!
Suggestions:
1. Perhaps soften the sky/clouds borders a little?
2. The large rock and trees on the right seem as if they would benefit from a little more definition
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Thanks Sure, here is the revision. I kind of messed it up and really had quite a time trying to fix it. I think I made it worse :(
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Oh, no. I think these improvements help a lot, Mary Lou, especially the sky. It really is a pretty painting.
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:clap: :clap: :clap: Mary Lou, I saw your painting in the Gallery and thought, "Wow, this is a beauty" and so it is. I love the way you have done it. I still have to do this one. Great job. Patricia
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Thanks Sue and Patricia, whew! I feel better now...thought looked rather messy on the right side.
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Your clouds are looking better MaryLou, and your rocks are great. O0 I thought they were fine before, now you have built up the land level and created a dropoff! A very well done dropoff I might add! It may not be the same as the photo, but look at it this way.....you made it your own. :clap: :clap: :clap:
I don't have flat rocks in my painting either.... I turned it into a rockpile! Kind of like that bottle/triangle thing I did... if it doesn't work....hide it! :2funny:
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Thank you Val. A case of having something in mind and it not turning out and then someone else perceives differently.. Now I see it as a drop off as you said....saves the day! :2funny:
I used a flat brush and making the sky, I was getting rather sharp lines. I should have softened them when I noticed that. The learning curve....
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It was interesting to learn how to use a hake brush - a bit unwieldy but over time I think I'll be able to use it for different brush marks...
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Sharon;
You did a beautiful job on this one. :painting:
My husband loved the subject soooo much that he
had me frame it and hang it on his side of the bed.
He says the scene reminds his of his days as a small
boy in England.
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Nice work Sharon and MaryLou!
MayLynn that is so sweet!
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Sharon,
Having no experience with a hake brush, I'm curious where you used it on this painting. It's lovely, except for the white building which needs some dimension to it..
aloha
mea
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Great story May Lynn. And I can see a bit of England in this painting, too (I lived there as a child for a year.). Thanks Natalie and Mea. And the edge of this large hake brush was used as the brush to give some interesting effects in the vegetation in the hills - but primarily it was used to give us an exercise in how to control a brush. I'll have to go back and check on Dennis's painting to get the White House perspective correct.
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Good job for a first go with the hake Sharon. Your trees and hillside turned out very well. O0 :clap: :clap: :clap:
I want to play about with the hake a bit more. I've seen some really lovely paintings done with it. Just have to get that old determination fired up! (https://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/50190/1507232.GIF) (http://www.Quebles.com/Hotmail-Tools/Emoticons/) :2funny:
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You've more determination than most, Val! And I love your new avatar!
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Ta Sharon, that photo was a few years ago taken in Curacao at new year's day party. :party:
Just wish the rest of me could keep up with my determination! :run: ;D
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Than get thee back to Curacao - it suits you!