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Title: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 26, 2011, 08:28:03 AM
We went for a visit to Chester Zoo recently and, as ever, I was on the look out for a great scene to photograph. I took many but, this one stood out among the others. It even looks like a painting already! Something about it reminded me of a painting I'd seen but couldn't remember which it was. I've since remembered. It's 'The Hay Wain' by John Constable *addition* I've just discovered that his birthday was the same as mine 11th June! Creepy   :o
My photo is a view of the Giraffe House over the water.
I'd like to add a subject in the water and extend the grass on the left to lead the eye into the scene.
If you have any suggestions for additions, dislikes, changes, the size I should paint it (I'd like to do a 24 x 18 min on canvass) I'd appreciate them.
I'm intending to create an outline sketch then an underpainting using 3 or 5 shades of earth colours like Umber, Sienna, etc.
Because it's my first proper attempt at a genuine traditional painting, I'm gonna be seeking help and advice!  ;)
Thanks  :)
Here's my photo followed by 'The Hay Wain' (right click on the image to open in a new tab. That's a way of seeing 'em bigger if they don't load):
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on September 26, 2011, 12:20:28 PM
Excellant photo topdog. It does look like a painting already. Did you manipulate it with photoshop? If you possible can, I would move the entire building to the right a hair. But it still looks good if you cannot. Nice simplicity...even the water looks ready to paint.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 26, 2011, 01:18:53 PM
Ya, gotta agree with Pat on that one, otherwise it's a beauty.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: smokie55 on September 26, 2011, 01:25:41 PM
That is a great photo to work with. I love the values represented. You should have fun with this. I love the little duck in the bottom right. maybe you could add a mate in the water to carry the eye back towards the building. Keep us posted on this one.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 26, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Excellant photo topdog. It does look like a painting already. Did you manipulate it with photoshop? If you possible can, I would move the entire building to the right a hair. But it still looks good if you cannot. Nice simplicity...even the water looks ready to paint.
Thank you! No, I haven't done any changes to the picture. That's what surprises me, how it looks like a photo already! Your suggestion for moving the building is very welcome I may extend it a little to the left so that I have a landscape mode or a better rectangle ratio.
I'm going out tomorrow to get a canvass. I already have a 24 x 18 Windsor & newton but, I want a bigger one. What do you reckon to that idea? What picture frame do you think I should use, if any? Perhaps use one of those wide ones maybe?
Thanks again.
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 26, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
Ya, gotta agree with Pat on that one, otherwise it's a beauty.
Thank you! I'm pleased and lucky to have a good picture to start with.
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 26, 2011, 02:55:18 PM
That is a great photo to work with. I love the values represented. You should have fun with this. I love the little duck in the bottom right. maybe you could add a mate in the water to carry the eye back towards the building. Keep us posted on this one.
Thank you Smokie55.
That's an interesting idea to add an additional Duck friend! Thank you for that. Yeah, I agree it should be fun to paint this but, I'll no doubt mess up and get frustrated! Must keep reminding myself to chill!  ;D
Cheers
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 26, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
If Nolan or Dennis get a chance to look in, I wonder if you could give me advice for the underpainting? Should I use earth colour water thinned Artisan oil paint or, acrylics? (it's just that I've heard that using acrylics may be prone to cracking in years to come. Many years of course!) I know using oils takes a little longer to dry but, I'm in no hurry.
I want to create a painting to be proud of but, I need your professional guidance ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: dennis on September 27, 2011, 02:15:38 AM
Use whatever medium you are happy with - it does not matter. A picture can be done  in any medium as still look good. I don' t know where you heard about acrylic paints cracking? Acrylics are very flexible - more so than oils.

Under painting is also a personal choice and there are various ways of doing it and colors to do it in. Many top artists are divided on this. Some do and some don't. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't - depends on the subject and how I feel about it that day LOL.  Not much constructive advice - I know :whistle:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 27, 2011, 09:58:22 AM
Use whatever medium you are happy with - it does not matter. A picture can be done  in any medium as still look good. I don' t know where you heard about acrylic paints cracking? Acrylics are very flexible - more so than oils.

Under painting is also a personal choice and there are various ways of doing it and colors to do it in. Many top artists are divided on this. Some do and some don't. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't - depends on the subject and how I feel about it that day LOL.  Not much constructive advice - I know :whistle:
Erm, not what I expected! But thanks anyway Dennis. 
I'm off out to get a canvass today. Still undecided on the size and whether to get the wide version that don't require framing.
What pencil would you use to draw in the outline?
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 27, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
He, he, Dennis and Nolan have done the same to me, too. We're looking for specifics and they throw generalities at us.
It all boils down to what makes you happy. There aren't any rules, per se. If it works for you then that is the best way to do it.
If acrylics make you nervous, don't use 'em.
We're artists, anything goes, now.  :)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 27, 2011, 10:39:19 AM
He, he, Dennis and Nolan have done the same to me, too. We're looking for specifics and they throw generalities at us.
It all boils down to what makes you happy. There aren't any rules, per se. If it works for you then that is the best way to do it.
If acrylics make you nervous, don't use 'em.
We're artists, anything goes, now.  :)
lol! Yeah, I suppose I was expecting specific advice but, the world of art is fluid and without rigid rules.
I'm gonna use/trial Artisan Water mixable oil paints thinned down in a range of values. I'm hoping this business of 'fat over lean' doesn't come into affect more with under painting if I've thinned with water.
I'm looking forward to getting goin. Just need to consider how to scale the pic up to the size of the canvass.
Thanks for comment.
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 27, 2011, 11:09:42 AM
Hey, Tony. I've thought of trying those water mixable oils myself but they don't make any sense. Water and oil don't mix. It has me baffled.
Do you mind posting some progress about that paint? I'm confused...  :-X

Be careful, the fat over lean rule applies to the drying times of layers and should hold true to all mediums, I'd think...
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 27, 2011, 11:47:40 AM
Hey, Tony. I've thought of trying those water mixable oils myself but they don't make any sense. Water and oil don't mix. It has me baffled.
Do you mind posting some progress about that paint? I'm confused...  :-X

Be careful, the fat over lean rule applies to the drying times of layers and should hold true to all mediums, I'd think...

As far as I know, these water mixable oil paints are created using a form of 'modified linseed & saffower oil'. Modified in some way that allows the mixing of water. A secret formula I think:
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/oil-colours/artisan-water-mixable-oil-colour/ (http://www.winsornewton.com/products/oil-colours/artisan-water-mixable-oil-colour/)
Yeah, I will post step by step progress of the painting. I've decided to use a 36 x 24" canvas because I have already got an old style gold looking frame I can use. I'm not sure if it'll take the wider thicker canvas but, if it does, I have best of both worlds! framed or not framed. I'll post a pic when early on to get opnions.
I will post pictures and short Youtube videos of my progress.
Thanks
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on September 27, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
Tony, I am not sure about underpainting either. I was in the middle of my current one and decided right then and there  that popping in a thousand dabs for leave was just taking too long, so I put in an underpainting of solid darker green. Underpaintings do work well and many many artist do use them (blocking in sold masses of color) Good luck on your painting. It's a big one!
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 27, 2011, 07:47:36 PM
Tony, I am not sure about underpainting either. I was in the middle of my current one and decided right then and there  that popping in a thousand dabs for leave was just taking too long, so I put in an underpainting of solid darker green. Underpaintings do work well and many many artist do use them (blocking in sold masses of color) Good luck on your painting. It's a big one!
Thanks for comment Patindaytona. I appreciate your comment about your experience and I'll take that into consideration in my under painting. Where fine detail is required, I'll substitute it with a general tone of undercolour.
I went to get a 36 x 24" canvas from Range today but, they no longer do that size so, I chose a bigger 39 x 28" wide frame one instead. Took it to the checkout and forgot my pin number on my new card! So, it seems the day was set against me. I've since looked on amazon. They have a pack of 3 thin ones for 36 + 3.95 p&p. I might order them.
Cheers
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on September 28, 2011, 12:53:05 PM
I now know about underpainting for acrylic and oil...but only recently discovered it also can be used with watercolour. That will have to wait for another day! I'm bogging myself down a bit too much at this point. The whole concept makes great sense to me, I hope one of you will show how you use it.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on September 28, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
Hi Tony, nice to see you back and using water mixable oils.  They work great for me, but now I'm resting from art work since coming down with bad cold.  And I'm reviewing music theory, guess from whose site!  It's great for visualizing piano chords, along with chording on the fretboard!  You're a GREAT teacher! :flowers:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on September 28, 2011, 08:39:57 PM
underpainting is usually either done with the darkest value or a neutral colour or the complimentary colour, so it's a very difficult question to answer. In other words It's not possible to give a "use Sap Green" type of answer here.

As for me I don't even use the underpainting technique as I believe the light goes through the paint and bounces off the white canvas, giving the painting more luminosity. So by adding an underpainting I lose that effect.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on September 28, 2011, 08:48:41 PM
I should think that with watercolour it would be even more so? I was thinking of it as a great time saver where you have larger areas of say green for trees or blocking in a large area for background hills/mountains etc. Now I'm beginning to think...why paint the picture twice?  :think: Another conundrum!
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 28, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
From what I understand, and how I use it, is for my dark shadows and cracks. Ya, it uses up extra paint and is actually a painting in itself that you/I'm painting over to save a little fine detail work later on.
It's really a painting under a painting, hence, underpainting.

I have a painting I started a few days ago and it's full of underpaintings. I'll share it in another thread, OK?
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on September 28, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
pretty much my train of thought as well Val  :crazy2:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 28, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
underpainting is usually either done with the darkest value or a neutral colour or the complimentary colour, so it's a very difficult question to answer. In other words It's not possible to give a "use Sap Green" type of answer here.

As for me I don't even use the underpainting technique as I believe the light goes through the paint and bounces off the white canvas, giving the painting more luminosity. So by adding an underpainting I lose that effect.
Thank you Nolan.
Now you have got me thinking! I wondered this too. Surely a white canvass is gonna give more luminosity than a dark under painting.
I'll just use a oil paint under painting for the dark areas of the picture. I don't want to make it any more work than needed!
I'm still undecided on the size of canvass. I don't want to mess up a large canvass on my first real painting. (I've ruined quite a few on the quick paint Bob Ross copying!)
I checked out a few pencils today. A set of graphite for 2 and other individual one including charcoal. Probably just use one out of my box whatever it happens to be.
Cheers.
 ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 28, 2011, 10:26:07 PM
Hi Tony, nice to see you back and using water mixable oils.  They work great for me, but now I'm resting from art work since coming down with bad cold.  And I'm reviewing music theory, guess from whose site!  It's great for visualizing piano chords, along with chording on the fretboard!  You're a GREAT teacher! :flowers:
Sorry o hear you are coming down with a cold. It's that time of year when those viral critters are out on an attack frenzy  >:D Well, I hope you get better after some rest.
LOL! I'm pleased you are getting some use out of my theory!
Come back on painting soon as you can eh.  :painting:
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: dennis on September 29, 2011, 01:52:21 AM
I did an experiment the other day with the colors we use in the teaching studio testing the transparency of each.

OPAQUE: Titanium White, Raw Umber and Yellow Ochre.
TRANSPARENT: Cad Yellow, Cad Red, Cad Orange, Aliz Crimson, Viridian and Ultramarine Blue.

Interesting ;)

I'm also busy testing the drying times without the use of any medium (normal single thin layer). Raw Umber, Viridian and Cad Yellow dried within 24 hours. Unbelievably Yellow Ochre and Cad Red are taking longer to dry than White :heeha:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: EllaNZ on September 29, 2011, 03:57:54 AM
Most beautiful photos, Topdog.  :gl:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 29, 2011, 08:01:53 AM
I did an experiment the other day with the colors we use in the teaching studio testing the transparency of each.

OPAQUE: Titanium White, Raw Umber and Yellow Ochre.
TRANSPARENT: Cad Yellow, Cad Red, Cad Orange, Aliz Crimson, Viridian and Ultramarine Blue.

Interesting ;)

I'm also busy testing the drying times without the use of any medium (normal single thin layer). Raw Umber, Viridian and Cad Yellow dried within 24 hours. Unbelievably Yellow Ochre and Cad Red are taking longer to dry than White :heeha:
Wow! That's great you are doing this Dennis.  :yippee: I was going to ask about transparent colours and how they relate to the luminosity on a painting without doing an under-paint (Alla Prima). I think I'll leave the question until it poses any problem as I progress through my painting though.
When the paints are dry after 24 hours, does this change the 'fat over lean' aspect? When 'dry', is it just that a skin has formed and then allows us to do another coat on top?
Thanks for the post Dennis and I look forward to the results.  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 29, 2011, 08:09:52 AM
Most beautiful photos, Topdog.  :gl:
Thank you Ella! Yeah, I got very lucky with this one. It's like going fishing to a Photographer! I bobbed down to take a look at the Duck and could see the surrounding area looking beautiful. So, I used my phone camera to snap a few shots. I have a few wider ones too that'll help if choose to extend the painting.
I'm going to put some flowers or Bulrushes in the left foreground. Daffodils might be good or, something red like tulips to compliment the greens.
Although the building is a Giraffe House (you can just make 'em out if ya look close right of mid just under the trees)
I won't make them any more prominent because I like the serine look of the scene. But, I'm open minded and willing to incorporate/consider any suggestions.
I'm going out again today to collect the big canvass so, I'll be making a start tonight. I've a few guitar lessons to do today.
Cheers
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 29, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
Although this is gonna be my first proper attempt at creating a traditional genuine oil painting using knowledge and seeking guidance, I wanted to show an example of a few 'paintings' I did BEFORE I had any knowledge of colour mixing. I just kept messing about with colour mixes until something looked near. I ended up with piles of what's called 'mud' but, I didn't know that then. I wasted much money on paints and spent many weeks frustrated. The final result turned out acceptable for a beginner. (Right click on the pictures to open in new tab, if they don't load) 
The first picture is an attempt at a portrait. I was pleased with result and, when I look at it now, I can hardly believe  I created that without any colour mixing knowledge!
The second picture was of the Phantom Jet (Euro Fighter). Again, done without any knowledge of colour mixing. All guess work and, it shows in both paintings.
The frame round the Jet, 36 x 24" is the one I was gonna use for this project but, now that I've bought this bigger, wide framed, Windsor & Newton 39 x 28" (70 x 100 cm), I won't be.
Here's a picture of it. It was 12.99:
 
 
 
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on September 29, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
WOW! Double WOW!  :clap: Words escape me, Tony!  O0 Gorgeous hair in the portrait and your jet is so realistic in its sheen!  :clap: You can do anything well, Tony!  You'll do GREAT with your large canvas!  You've motivated me to prep a couple canvases, but right now I'm only viewing Lesson 21 on Theory! :gl2: :flowers:

P.S. Just thought I'd tell you I bought a lawsuit Martin Takamine from a collector friend recently, after selling my Washburn when I moved 9 yrs. ago.  When I retired from teaching I didn't think I needed a pick up anymore since I wasn't going to play in school assemblies. Anyway, my new old guitar has great sound quality and the narrow neck makes barring easier for me!
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on September 29, 2011, 08:21:03 PM
some pretty good guess work there Tony  :clap: :painting:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on September 29, 2011, 10:05:17 PM
Nice work Tony, knowledge or not you did a great job.  :clap:

 :clap: Aw Liz.... I fell in love with a little Takamine years ago, by the time I'd saved enough money for it .... it had sold.  :'(  On board I have a 12 string Ovation ... helps keep me occupied between painting and drawing  :D
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on September 29, 2011, 11:30:01 PM
Wonderful, Val! :yippee: Ovation guitars have great sound! One never has lonely moments when she can reach for her guitar! Serenading Lloyd, yet!  Lucky chap! :clap:

I think a lot of artists may also be musicians or musicians at heart!  My son, a professional musician, doesn't do art, though. He left yesterday to do a Christian worship conference in Manila, PI, accompanied by hula dancers, medical missionaries and doctors, too.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on September 29, 2011, 11:39:39 PM
Really good work Tony. Liz and Val you play guitar? I play all the time.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 29, 2011, 11:46:35 PM
I wasn't going to share this but, I play the blues harp... Let's jam sometime.  O0
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on September 29, 2011, 11:54:16 PM
Now, that's really interesting!  So Pat plays the guitar, also! :yippee:  It could be that more artists are musicians, after all, than musicians who also are artists!? Now TONY is the best music theory and guitar teacher on line that I enjoy very much!  When you're not painting, check out his videos! :clap:

I guess we're all on the same time!  What is a 'blues harp'?
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Kelley on September 30, 2011, 12:52:14 AM
Hey, I play the radio well  :whistle:    :2funny:
Actually I gave up the guitar and thankfully my daughter picked up where I left off.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 30, 2011, 01:46:19 AM
Here's a blues harp...
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on September 30, 2011, 04:28:45 AM
It looks like my friend's harmonica; he has a C and D one.  Blues must sound awesome on your instrument! :clap:

So Kelley plays the radio!  I better start dinner soon-  you've heard of a TV dinner; well, my husband may have a radio one (one he can't see)!
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 30, 2011, 05:06:31 AM
WOW! Double WOW!  :clap: Words escape me, Tony!  O0 Gorgeous hair in the portrait and your jet is so realistic in its sheen!  :clap: You can do anything well, Tony!  You'll do GREAT with your large canvas!  You've motivated me to prep a couple canvases, but right now I'm only viewing Lesson 21 on Theory! :gl2: :flowers:

P.S. Just thought I'd tell you I bought a lawsuit Martin Takamine from a collector friend recently, after selling my Washburn when I moved 9 yrs. ago.  When I retired from teaching I didn't think I needed a pick up anymore since I wasn't going to play in school assemblies. Anyway, my new old guitar has great sound quality and the narrow neck makes barring easier for me!
:blush: Thank you Liz!  It's a long time since I painted those. I can't believe how I actually managed to produce them without ANY colour mixing knowledge or, ANY compositional knowledge! I'd never painted before these apart from one I did as a 11 year old kid. (I'll post that very first picture to show it. My teacher had kept it and gave it to me when I was 35 as a surprise!).
Drawing, with incorrect school pencils, was something I was able to do and, it became escapism in a violent home of an aggressive step Father/household. Sometimes I get a panic attack if I draw now, as a throwback to those days (I'm reluctant to draw as a result. Painting doesn't have same affect though)  Awful emotional scars I'm afraid.  :(
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the step by step postings of this project.
Thanks again.
 ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 30, 2011, 05:13:40 AM
Great comments feedback! Thank you all  ;) :)
Yeah, it is strange that many artists also play instruments and do photography. Something to do with the creative side of the brain I hear. The world would would be a very dull boring place without this wonderment!
Today I'm gonna scale up the pic and grid it on the canvass. Not totally sure how to do that in proportions correctly to this odd sized canvass but, I'll go for it or, just do it by eye like I did with those previous ones!
I'm gonna use any pencil I find. I think I have a set of drawing pencils somewhere. (everything got mixed up and messed up when we moved here. 6 years on still not sorted the loft! I hate that insulation prickly stuff so avoided it!)
Thank you again.
 ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 30, 2011, 05:44:00 AM
Oh, I just want to mention, I printed this photo  I intend to paint, onto plain paper a few times That way I can draw grid lines over it in pen or pencil. I'm hoping it'll give me scaling options and adjustments.
I also copied from scanning it out in black 'n white. (couldn't manage to change it on computer to give B&W or do a sepia). This gives me some idea of the dark area values.
Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea.  :coffee:
 ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on September 30, 2011, 07:47:59 AM
Unhappy childhoods do leave their mark, but look how far you've come. I have a problem with redrawing things, especially in larger scale. Its pretty much hit and miss for me, the grid does help but still a struggle. Can't wait to see this one Tony. Carry on!

I have a blues harp as well Rick. Love it! Also muck about with the recorder and penny whistle. Used to play a bit on keyboards before an accident and suffered some nerve damage. All the instruments as well as the drawing and painting serve as excellent therapy.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 30, 2011, 11:17:36 AM
Today I have done a printout on 2 A4 plain sheets of paper and drawn a grid of 1 cm squares. (Took ages and had to stay accurate!) I've extended the picture on the right (but may change my mind) and, I will extend it on the left later. ( I didn't take a photo to the left so I will have to create the image based on the scene!). I'm also gonna extend it above and below to fit on the canvas and, place the Duck a little higher on a rock so it fits the 'rule of thirds'. I've stuck the 2 sheets of paper together using cellotape.
I'll now think about the scale sizing proportions to fit this 28 x 39" (700 x 1000mm) canvas with flexibility within the top or bottom extensions to fit the landscape mode of the canvas.
I'm gonna grid it up on the canvas next. In the mean time, here's a picture of the print out with these 1 cm square grid (right click on thumb nail picture and open in a new tab window if it doesn't load) It'll display a bigger image that way:
 
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 30, 2011, 11:32:45 AM
Me being the 'computer artist' around here, I'm asking why you didn't do all that hard work in your PC first THEN print it out all set up and ready to go, TopDog?

Looks really good, though... Nice job.  O0
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on September 30, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
Me being the 'computer artist' around here, I'm asking why you didn't do all that hard work in your PC first THEN print it out all set up and ready to go, TopDog?

Looks really good, though... Nice job.  O0
LOL!  :blush: I didn't know how to! It would have saved me a lot of time too.
I've now scaled it up to 3 cm on the canvas to every 1 cm on the printout. Here's a picture of what I've drawn up so far. Was a right pain to do too. Will be on with the image sketch outline tomorrow.
Wish I had your computer skills ;)

Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: thegrindre on September 30, 2011, 02:35:41 PM
 :2funny: thing is, I've never had to do this before. I'm in the process of figuring out how to do it myself.
I'll post the outcome for all to use in the near future as soon as I get an easy and workable solution for all involved, even those with no PC skills.
I see, one day, I'm going to need it too...  :2funny:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on October 01, 2011, 07:42:19 AM
I've never tried a grid that big. Will be watching to see how it works out for you.  :wave:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 01, 2011, 09:35:09 AM
It's a fantastic sunny day in Halifax so, it's gardening prep for the winter before it gets cold. I'll do some of my outlining this evening.
I'm worried that once I start painting in big areas of dark undercoat, I'm gonna lose my grid! Erm, perhaps this is where translucent paint comes in. I'll have to check back on Dennis' post to see if Siennas are ok.
Thanks Val & Thegrindre for your post replies.  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on October 02, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
you can also grab yourself a free printable grid (http://www.paintbasket.com/courses/how_to_draw/) and then use the video tutorial on how to use a grid (http://paintbasket.com/studios/?p=469) if you don't want to go the computer route O0
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 02, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
you can also grab yourself a free printable grid ([url]http://www.paintbasket.com/courses/how_to_draw/[/url]) and then use the video tutorial on how to use a grid ([url]http://paintbasket.com/studios/?p=469[/url]) if you don't want to go the computer route O0


Hey Nolan, thank you for those links! They're great and very useful.  :clap: Wish I'd have seen 'em sooner! lol! ;) I'm gonna watch the video this evening and apply this method next time.
Thank you again.
Tony  ;)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on October 02, 2011, 08:15:12 PM
 O0 and  :gl: Tony
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: valweb on October 03, 2011, 08:40:48 AM
I hope we are going to see   :eek: your painting soon even the beginning stages will do.   :gl2:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 03, 2011, 10:16:40 AM
I hope we are going to see   :eek: your painting soon even the beginning stages will do.   :gl2:
Yeah, I'll be showing the good, the bad and, the downright frustrations! I'll post each step of the way and include the learned lessons along the way. I'm doing the outlining this afternoon. Well, some of it!  ;)
Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on October 03, 2011, 11:19:15 AM
 :gl:   :gl2:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 03, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Lesson learned so far:
It's very long winded to draw in the outline accurately, esp. when I may end up covering a lot of it for blocking in the darks!
I need some form of projector. Any idea folks?
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on October 03, 2011, 11:40:03 AM
I've heard of using a projector, but its by me I'm afraid.  ???
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 03, 2011, 12:34:34 PM
I've heard of using a projector, but its by me I'm afraid.  ???
Thanks Val. Hey, no worries, I've just ordered this 'Tracer Projector' from Amazon for 49 + free postage.
I'll start a new thread on projectors and get peoples opinions & experiences. I'll just call it 'Projectors'.
Here's the link to Amazon to view what I've ordered:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artograph-Tracer-Projector/dp/B001222SA0/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317645069&sr=8-1-fkmr0 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artograph-Tracer-Projector/dp/B001222SA0/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317645069&sr=8-1-fkmr0)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on October 04, 2011, 12:35:42 AM
I think I've seen the tracer projectors at michael's store too. Let us know how you like it Tony. I just measure the grid frehand onto the canvas like Nolan shows in video. Takes a little time but you got to start out slow.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Kelley on October 04, 2011, 05:54:35 AM
Topdoginuk, I had my eye on one of those projectors, too.  I'd be interested in knowing if that worked for you as well.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 04, 2011, 06:06:47 AM
Topdoginuk, I had my eye on one of those projectors, too.  I'd be interested in knowing if that worked for you as well.
Yeah,  I'll post info. on what I think about it and how it performs. If you bookmark this page, you'll be able to come back and see. Probably next week.
Cheers  :)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on October 04, 2011, 06:19:27 PM
Sounds good Tony. I can't afford one right now though, but will be good to know. How simple can it be..just to trace what you project on the canvas!  Good luck on your River Scene painting.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 06, 2011, 05:28:27 AM
Having watched a few of Nolan's tutorial videos, I've had a rethink on this mission! I'm gonna set it aside for now and come back to it at a later stage. (I want to give some thought to making in into a 'story' and snap a few additional images to incorporate into the scene to make it focused).
I've taken note of compositional and painting techniques and, I  plan to change the picture to include these.
So, I'm gonna look at joining the 'Rose' class!  :yippee: (I was very impressed by the painting outcomes and learning comments).
Now I just need to go find where to start it link.
(Oh, I will come back to this landscape. I haven't abandoned it. I just need to admit I haven't got the skill for such a large project, yet!  :blush:)
Thanks for input.  :)
 
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on October 06, 2011, 08:08:06 AM
It's good to think and rethink through our art projects!  Without the inspiration or fire to get started, the perspiration may not be worth the 'less than satisfying' results of our efforts.  I had a friend's painting that he didn't finish and was going to trash (because he was moving).  I thought I could finish it, but it wasn't my composition and long story short, I lacked the professional 'know how' and had to abandon the idea!  I painted over it and now have a canvas 36x48 or thereabouts waiting for an 'inspiration'!
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on October 06, 2011, 09:23:11 AM
At least you haven't really started on the painting yet, so you can still take your time and mull over the best way to do it. You will know when you are ready to tackle it - you will feel like painting it O0

PS - here is the link to the Rose Painting Tutorial (http://www.paintbasket.com/paintbaskettv/index.php?replay=9) on Paint Basket TV
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on October 06, 2011, 11:30:02 AM
The projector looks good Tony, let us know how it works out for you.
I understand completely about rethinking the project at hand. I'm still scratching my head a bit over the iguana. I now know where to start (light colour washes), but still having a bit of bother over how to accomplish the texture I'm after. So, when I think of it I paint little patches on a paper and try different techniques. I know I'll find the right approach, getting closer all the time.  O0
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 06, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Thank you Nolan. Yeah, I'm glad I took time out to watch your recordings of the tutorial lessons I missed. I learned a great deal from them ( I've yet to finish watching them. I couldn't concentrate today 'cos I had Dentist app. My 5th Dentist is 12 months! I just didn't get on with the others and have spent a fortune on their incompetent work. I've been in pain for 10 weeks from previous Dentists filling  >:(
Anyway, back to the subject in hand. I'll continue to build knowledge and, practice first. I nearly tried to run before I could even walk with this project!  :blush:  Now I'm glad I've halted it. I've learned a lesson to stop, step outside the box, ask questions, think twice, be self critical and reconsider options and be honest. If I'm not up to the job, then I admit it  :2funny:

Val, thank you for asking about the projector. Unfortunately, it was useless   :'(  I'm gonna get a overhead projector like Nolan instead. If you are thinking of buying this Tracer, forget it. Don't waste 'ya money. I'm returning mine for a refund. It arrived with a smashed bulb anyway.
Once I get a overhead projector, I will post a review about it and, I might even do a quick Youtube video. (I say a quick video because, I don't post many Youtube videos now because they take too long to load).
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on October 06, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
Shame about the projector Tony. Its all a learning process. Better luck with the next one.  :gl2:

Sometimes it is best just to step back and reevaluate, nothing worse than rushing ahead and becoming disheartened. Good on you Tony, take your time...there's always plenty to keep you busy in the meantime.  O0
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on October 06, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Topdog....tell me about dentists!! For some reason, many of them are terrible. I've had one or two actually YELLING at me to keep my mouth open during a root canal. I couldn't because my jaws were so tired. They have that little cardboard thing they put in your mouth to PROP it open the whole time...so why didn' the use that! OH....and he told me at the end to tell the follow up "dentist" that one of his tools busted off in my mouth because i didn't keep it open! (he was lying about that too). Nightmare. And you know how rough and merciless they can be with a needle because it doesn't bother them....can we continue this in another forum on TOOT DECAY?? ;D
On the projector....hope the one your getting works. I'm spending alot lately and need 4 or 5 new paints...ouch.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on October 06, 2011, 06:45:38 PM
Sorry about you guys suffering through dental work!  Too bad you're so far away! :(  My youngest daughter's husband is the best dentist ever! :)  He does GREAT, FAST, AND PAINLESS dentistry of every kind of procedure!  I am so BLESSED because I have a natural fear of pain, blood, needles, going to any doctor, etc.!  :sweat::gl:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Tony (ASM) on October 06, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
Sorry about you guys suffering through dental work!  Too bad you're so far away! :(  My youngest daughter's husband is the best dentist ever! :)  He does GREAT, FAST, AND PAINLESS dentistry of every kind of procedure!  I am so BLESSED because I have a natural fear of pain, blood, needles, going to any doctor, etc.!  :sweat::gl:
Thank you Liz!
Well, I hope that when I sink my teeth into a great painting challenge, all will be fine!  :D
Yeah, you are very lucky   :)
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: nolan on October 06, 2011, 08:36:27 PM
Well, I hope that when I sink my teeth into a great painting challenge, all will be fine!  :D

 :2funny:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: liz on October 06, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
 :yippee: :painting:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on October 06, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
Good luck Topdog on the Rose. Hope you do well.
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: Val on October 06, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
Dentists?......  :-X     :whistle:
Title: Re: I'm Gonna Try Paint This In Oils (A Photo I Took Recently)
Post by: patindaytona on October 06, 2011, 09:37:42 PM
Anyone got any more dentist jokes? ;D