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Kate

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Reply #15 on: January 04, 2012, 06:05:17 AM
ok great thanx. What does one use as a "varnish" for acrylic as I have just changed (to try) from oils to acrylic and its quite a dull medium? not as shiny and soft as oils but definately quicker.


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Reply #16 on: January 04, 2012, 08:50:40 PM
A big warm  :bigwelcome: to you Kate. You have joined the best artsite on the net  ;)

Zellen is the company name and they manufacture an acrylic range called Zelcryl as well as an oil range which is called Zelcol.  The Zelkin is similar to liquin as stipulated before, however it is an oilpainting medium and I personally won't use it to 'varnish' an acrylic painting...neither an oilpainting.  As Kelley has mentioned...it is much leaner than your oilpaints and could cause cracking if your underlayers in your oilpainting is 'fatter'.

However should you wish to varnish an acrylic painting...you need to look at water-based varnish options for example Polymer varnishes...which is specifically manufactured for acrylics. The varnishes comes in matt, satin (which is the happy inbetween of matt and gloss) and gloss varnish.  Should you wish to have a matt finish... and you use more than one coat of varnish... the recommendation is not to use multiple layers of matt varnish (it has a milky look when too many layers of matt varnish is used)... so the general suggestion is that if you want the matt look... give your painting say 3 layers of gloss varnish, then follow that up with a matt coat or two... just remember to let the layers dry inbetween... doing it this way... you will still have a matt end result without the milky look.  You will not have this 'problem with the gloss varnish...


To do a Two-Varnish Finish system...
You also get solvent-based varnishes specifically for acrylic paintings... these are normally the Final Varnish on a painting... So you will coat your painting with the Polymer Varnish (which is the first varnish)...which protects the acrylics (however does not go into all the little 'holes' of the acrylic paint...and dirt can still be trapped in them even though they are mi-nute)... once the above is dry... you can coat with the Solvent-based varnish (this is your second-varnish) (this varnish goes into all mi-nute hooks, crannys and little 'holes'...fills them)... so it makes it much easier when cleaning an acrylic painting... also in the future...should the varnish become dirty...it can be removed and the Polymer varnish that was done first...will protect your paint agains the turps or whatever medium is used to remove the solvent-based varnish. 

Hope it all makes sense and that the above info helps a bit :)
Leana

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Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 09:07:33 AM
 :whistle:  :sweat: I have been pondering some more about the Zelkin over acrylic paints to give it a 'glossier' sheen... 

I know you can paint oilspaints over acrylic paints, but not the other way around... due to the fact that oils dries much slower than acrylics.  If acrylics were used over oils...it will crack because it will be dry and the oil underneath is still drying and they use different methods of drying> oils dries through oxidation and acrylics evaporation  O0

Dennis or Nolan maybe you can give us some clarity> Perhaps you can use the Zelkin over the acrylics as a 'sealer'...to add some sheen... just not sure if it will suffice as a 'varnish' though  :confused: ... if it has never been done before... maybe we could try it and see what happens  :heeha:
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Kate

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Reply #18 on: January 07, 2012, 04:31:44 AM
Thanks Leana for all the info. Zelkin is great as a sealer on oil as it does not give you that varnished look. I havent as yet found out what will do the same for acrylic as yet.


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Reply #19 on: January 07, 2012, 09:43:06 PM
:bigwelcome: to the site Kate, looking forward to chatting with you here


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Reply #20 on: January 07, 2012, 09:54:55 PM
As a matter of interest - when you have used the Zelkin do you clean your brushes with turps or with water?
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Reply #21 on: January 21, 2012, 04:51:11 AM
welcome Kate, I too have been painting with Acrylic and thanks to this site am branching out into WC, you will love it here.. :welcome:
Linda


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Reply #22 on: January 21, 2012, 04:56:18 AM
Leana, wow lots of info above, there are so many new people it is hard to keep up now, so I was backtracking just now and read you info on acrylics,  :thankyou:
Linda


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Reply #23 on: January 21, 2012, 09:03:34 AM
Sapphirelynn...  :blush: ...glad you found it interesting and informative  O0
Leana

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Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
A Big belated :welcome: Kate.  Hope you enjoy it here as much as we all do.  Great Site, great tutors.
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