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MarkK

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on: April 17, 2019, 01:23:51 AM
Hi Everyone! Third time is the charm (I hope!) Twice I've started this course over the last two years, and twice I've given up. This time however, I'm determined to soldier through! I really want to learn to draw and advance my art skills.

Both of my past attempts have stopped at the berries. Happy yo say, I'm currently working on those and will post them for feedback once I finish.

However, I have a question about the tonal value chart. How do you know how hard to press when creating the tonal values? I've been pressing lightly up until around the B/2B pencil, then I start pressing harder. However, the tonal values just seem off to me. The problem is my HB value always seems to look darker than my B value, and my 4/6B values never seem to look dark enough. I'm wondering if it is the pencils I'm using, (using Faber-Castell 9000) or my technique just needs more practice? Or if I should be doing it on different paper. Right now, I'm doing it on copy paper because I printed out a bunch of the templates to work from.

 I'm trying to do a tonal chart everyday just to get practice. Looking back at the one I did during my last attempt at the course looks okay, but I still think I'm not doing something right. I can post a new one from this attempt if it helps to get any pointers, but I really am just curious about pencil pressure and how do you know to apply more or less.

Thanks! Hope to be posting my regular progress as I get back into the swing of the course (and completing it this time!)


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Reply #1 on: April 17, 2019, 12:30:27 PM
 :welcome:  back Mark and I would love to see you finish the course which will stand you in such good stead for future work.  With regard to tonal values, I always struggled as I was too timid but then was told to use a darker pencil than what was prescribed and that did the trick for me.  As for the tonal chart values, wait for the more experienced artists to guide you.


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Reply #2 on: April 18, 2019, 01:21:53 AM
 :thankyou: Patricia. I'm determined to complete the drawing course this time. Having never really done much art in the past, I've really got the bug more than ever now. I'm at a place in my life now were I can dedicate time to practice and create art, so I'm going to take advantage of that!

 I thought about using a darker pencil than suggested. I will give that a try.

Adding my latest tonal chart to the post for feedback. I'm struggling with the middle line of values a lot. I still don't know why my HB value looks darker than the rest.  :confused:






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Reply #3 on: April 22, 2019, 11:03:19 PM
Doing a tonal chart is a tricky business as some pencils will get you correct tonal value without applying pressure, while others will require you to apply pressure. I think it is a function of the lead inside each particular pencil. No matter what set you buy, you will always have this issue to a degree.
Here is a trick I often teach the students in order to get a good looking tonal chart:
Instead of colouring from left to right, try this for the top row:
Pressing as light as you can shade in the left hand block. Pressing as hard as the paper will allow use the 6B to shade in the right hand block.
Now using your B gently fill in the centre block. Once done compare it's tonal value to the other two blocks. You want it to be inbetween the two. If it isn't gradually apply more pressure until you have it as close you can judge.
From there it becomes easier to judge and complete the remaining blocks.
In other words when drawing each block ignore the pressure you applied to the pencil  in previous blocks and just concentrate on getting the tonal value of the block correct. O0
Let me know how that works for you.


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Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 07:46:23 PM
 :thankyou: Nolan. I just implemented your suggestions and it helped a great deal! I see that it's just going to take practice from here on to get comfortable with seeing and shading values. Now, on to finishing my berries exercise!


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Reply #5 on: April 28, 2019, 10:11:24 PM
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Reply #6 on: May 06, 2019, 12:00:06 AM
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