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Val

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on: September 18, 2019, 08:24:36 PM
Looking for a fail safe solution to sticking pastel paper on mdf or plywood.  :crazy2:
So far have tried using gesso (avail. in mx), and white glue (avail. in mx) without much luck. Both seem to dry faster than I can paint either on and get the paper to stick.
Only somewhat suitable spray glue appeared to work... both board and paper coated, stuck together, then laid face down with weights all around the edges and in center. After 24hrs. it seemed a success... a few hours later the paper started to lift until only a spot in the center was holding and I´m doubtful that will last much longer.  :tickedoff:   There are so many alternatives available in US, but unfortunately customs will not allow any form of pastes, liquid, or fixatives to be shipped across the border.
I´m almost to the point of trying an automotive glue which I know is not acid free... any suggestions?  :confused:       One is for a dog commission 12 x 16  and the other a night scene 18 x 24    :help:
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Reply #1 on: September 18, 2019, 09:05:10 PM
use acrylic texture gel.

HERE is a good explanation of the process I use


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Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 01:06:34 AM
Nice video... but this guy doesn't keep clean hands like our teachers!

I have done some but on wood panel.  I used Golden acrylic soft gel and cover well but not excessively as he suggests.  It just becomes messy, you only need enough to cover and not have air bubble.  I use a roller (old pie roller from the kitchen - I buy pre-made frozen crust, don't made it from scratch anymore), cover as he said, and then I pile books over the full surface for even pressure and distribution.  Yes, overnight to 24h.

BTY, same technique to clue puzzles... much cheaper then buying special puzzle glue.
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Reply #3 on: September 19, 2019, 08:29:02 PM
Ta much Nolan & Annie.
We went searching this morning and the only thing I found was some heavy gel moulding paste (really thick). As last ditch attempt went to the dollar store and found one can of 3M photo mount spray adhesive tucked away in a back corner!   :yippee:   A number of pastelies had recommended it to me but I hadn´t been able to find any. You just never know where you might find things.  :heeha:   That was where I had bought the white glue... just have to keep going back and checking. Of course, finding it once and going back there again does not mean I´ll find it there again!   :doh:     :2funny:

Cheers, Val

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Reply #4 on: September 19, 2019, 08:30:53 PM
 :yippee:

Just make sure the spray adhesive is permanent and not temporary


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Reply #5 on: September 28, 2019, 12:21:44 PM
 :yippee:   Worked a treat!  For anyone looking for a simple way to glue their papers to boards of any kind, the 3M photo mount is acid free and won´t yellow or harm your paper or canvas.
For a temporary fix just spray either the board or the paper. For a permanent fix spray both the board and the paper. I sprayed to light coats on the board and paper, waiting about a minute in between coats. Sprayed extra all around the edges. No way that paper is coming off now!  :strong:
Since the paper was already cut to fit the board fro my first attempt at gluing, it was very tricky to line up perfectly. For the second board I cut the paper 1/4¨ larger which made the whole process much simpler. I placed the board paper side down and weighted it overnight. After the glue is dry you just trim around with a blade. Voila!  :heeha:
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Reply #6 on: September 29, 2019, 08:43:09 PM
that is the better way to do it O0


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Reply #7 on: February 01, 2020, 07:42:03 PM
hi Val we used boiled potatoes we  glued kites with it  as long it does not get wet and it is a strong glue is word trying and is slow drying
« Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 07:45:30 PM by gartolf »
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Reply #8 on: February 02, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
Hi Hans,  I seem to remember quite quite awhile back, making glue from boiled potato water, we used it like paste. I´m not sure I´d like to trust it on a piece of artwork to be sold. I´d be worried about humidity and the like, not sure how or if it might effect the various papers.
An interesting idea nonetheless.  :thankyou:
Cheers, Val

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Reply #9 on: February 02, 2020, 11:11:34 PM
Val, when I first started out with water colour painting & went to watercolour lessons, we were shown how to use a very slightly diluted, well mixed, egg white to stick our wc paper on to a waxed board.
The finished artwork generally comes off without much ado after drying.

Most participants used masonite boards,  coating a thin layer of wax on, which was ‘polished’ off after a few hours to remove excess. This could be used numerous times before having to wax again.

This method also prevents the wc-paper from buckling.

Maybe it will work for you, too. 

 :clap: Happy to hear you had success with the 3M photo adhesive.   O0
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Reply #10 on: February 03, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
Interesting Cath, hadn´t heard of that one. When I first had a go at w/c I had a large plywood board that I´d epoxied and varnished. I would soak the w/c paper and smooth it out onto the board. I could then either paint on it while it was just damp, or let it dry completely, then paint. Worked a treat and was easy to remove once the painting was dry, with no buckling!
What I needed for the various pastel papers was a good strong bond so the paper could not detach from the backing boards. The 3M has worked the best so far. Would love to get hold of some of the pre-glued boards, or even some good foam board. Neither of which is available here unfortunately.
Cheers, Val

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